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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: David Carlton <david.carlton@sun.com>
Cc: gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: Move GDB to C++ ?
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:30:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uprovnmjd.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yf2bq0fw3hd.fsf@luai12.SFBay.Sun.COM>

> From: David Carlton <david.carlton@sun.com>
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:56:14 -0700
> 
> Some people strongly prefer to work (on large scale projects) in C,
> and really don't want to work in C++.  Some people strongly prefer to
> work in C++, and really don't want to work in C.  (And some people
> would rather work in Java, or Ruby, or Haskell, but none of those are
> realistic options for a GDB transition, so I'm ignoring them.)

FWIW, at least for me, this is not a language choice issue, this is an
issue of making a decision whether to invest a non-trivial amount of
time and effort into refactoring.  I would say the same things I did
in this thread if someone would suggest to refactor GDB in C.

> Given that, we can talk about technical advantages or disadvantages
> until we're blue in the face, but I don't think that will get us any
> farther.  We've already seen examples of how GDB is reimplementing
> almost every C++ concept that you can think of in C; for the C++ fans,
> that's convincing evidence that GDB development would proceed more
> smoothly in C++ (those constructs could be done with less work), while
> for the C fans, that's convincing evidence that GDB development
> doesn't need C (proof by existence).
> 
> And I don't see that more examples are going to help much.  I think
> Vladimir's proposal of doing one example of a conversion in detail is
> sensible enough, but I don't think it will change anybody's feelings
> on this matter.  I bet the results will look better to people who like
> C++, and unconvincing to people who like C; indeed, Eli's already said
> as much for the latter side.

For the record, on my daytime job we develop and maintain a very large
body of extremely object-oriented C++ code.  So much for me being on
``the latter side''.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-30 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-10 18:46 Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 19:01 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 20:01   ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 20:04     ` Paul Koning
2008-07-10 20:40       ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-10 21:31         ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 22:30           ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-10 23:49             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-11  6:14           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 12:40           ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 12:23         ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-11 16:03       ` Dave Korn
2008-07-10 21:54     ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-11  6:26       ` Joel Brobecker
2008-07-11  8:55         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11  9:23           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-07-11  9:32             ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 14:27           ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 14:34             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 14:54             ` Paul Koning
2008-07-11 15:30             ` Pedro Alves
2008-07-11 16:09         ` Dave Korn
2008-07-11 16:26           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-12  5:41             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-29 17:29   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 18:08     ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-29 18:09       ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:05       ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 19:06         ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:35           ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-30  7:18         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 12:11         ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 12:35           ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-30 15:39             ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 17:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 17:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:32       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:45         ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 18:18           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:05             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 19:15               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:42                 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-31 15:37                   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:30               ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:56               ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-31  9:03                 ` André Pönitz
2008-07-31  9:33                   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 10:07                   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-30  5:24         ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-30 18:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:29             ` David Carlton
2008-07-30 20:30               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2008-07-30 20:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-31  4:52               ` Michael Veksler
2008-07-31 20:03             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-07-30  9:25         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 11:55           ` Salvatore Lionetti
2008-07-30 18:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:19             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-29 23:59     ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 19:35 ` Jan Kratochvil
2008-07-10 22:41 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-11  9:57   ` Andrew STUBBS
2008-07-11 11:44     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 12:43       ` Pierre Muller
2008-07-11 13:14     ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-13 23:18   ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-14  0:15     ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-14  8:49       ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 13:21         ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 15:54           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 15:58             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:03             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:23               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 16:39                 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 17:53                   ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-16 19:06                     ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-14 17:54                 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-14 16:12             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-14 16:15               ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:18               ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:21                 ` Bob Rossi
2008-07-14 16:31               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 19:00   ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-12  3:30 ` Michael Snyder
2008-07-14 14:54   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-20 14:36 ` Michael Eager
2008-07-31  8:40 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-31 14:37   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 22:30     ` GDB to C++ issue: deletion Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 22:40       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-31 22:58         ` Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 23:25           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01  5:38       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-08-01  8:52       ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01  9:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 12:57           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 14:57             ` Paul Koning
2008-08-01 15:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:51           ` André Pönitz
     [not found]           ` <20080801125124.GA13594@caradoc.them.org>
     [not found]             ` <uzlnwn9jq.fsf@gnu.org>
2008-08-01 13:59               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:17                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 15:29                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:40                       ` Problem with can_use_hw_breakpoint Jeremy Bennett
2008-08-12 14:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:56                           ` Jeremy Bennett
2008-07-31 20:00   ` Move GDB to C++ ? Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:13     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 13:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 14:04         ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-04  9:34             ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 14:21         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 16:14         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 19:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02  5:55             ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02  8:07               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02  9:22                 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02  9:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 10:00                     ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 10:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:55       ` Mark Kettenis
2008-08-01 14:11         ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:02         ` Stan Shebs
2008-08-01 15:05         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 15:17           ` Daniel Jacobowitz

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