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From: Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: tromey@redhat.com, gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: Move GDB to C++ ?
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:03:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3r699ygdm.fsf@gossamer.airs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uy73jnsmg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed\, 30 Jul 2008 21\:17\:59 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> I think much of Ian's PDF on moving GCC to C++ applies just as well to
>> gdb:
>> 
>>     http://www.airs.com/ian/cxx-slides.pdf
>
> Those slides have only one _real_ GCC-specific argument in favor of
> C++: on slide 11.  All the rest is general comparison between C and
> C++ based on toy examples.

I think that is an unfair criticism.  Every C example on those slides
came directly from the gcc source code, simplified to fit on the
slide.  In fact, I think the simplification actually makes the C code
look better than it really is, but I needed slides to show examples
while I spoke, so my space was limited.


I tend to think that gdb would be improved by moving to C++: I think
it would make it easier to maintain the code.  Many of the objections
seem to take two general forms:

1) "It could get worse."  That's right: it could get worse.  But gdb
could get worse without changing languages.  The way you keep it from
getting worse is by writing good code and by selecting good
maintainers.  Choice of language is a relatively minor factor in
reducing code quality.

2) "It's too much work."  Yes, it's a lot of work.  If you aren't
interested, don't do the work.  If other people are willing to do the
work, think carefully about whether you want to reject their efforts,
and why.  If other people are not willing to do the work, then for
sure it won't happen.


I'm on the gdb steering committee, but my personal opinion is that
choice of language is a technical decision best made by the active
maintainers, not a steering committee decision.  I am not, of course,
an active maintainer.

Ian


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-31 20:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-10 18:46 Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 19:01 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 20:01   ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 20:04     ` Paul Koning
2008-07-10 20:40       ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-10 21:31         ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 22:30           ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-10 23:49             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-11  6:14           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 12:40           ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 12:23         ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-11 16:03       ` Dave Korn
2008-07-10 21:54     ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-11  6:26       ` Joel Brobecker
2008-07-11  8:55         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11  9:23           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-07-11  9:32             ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 14:27           ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 14:34             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 14:54             ` Paul Koning
2008-07-11 15:30             ` Pedro Alves
2008-07-11 16:09         ` Dave Korn
2008-07-11 16:26           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-12  5:41             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-29 17:29   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 18:08     ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-29 18:09       ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:05       ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 19:06         ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:35           ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-30  7:18         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 12:11         ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 12:35           ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-30 15:39             ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 17:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 17:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:32       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:45         ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 18:18           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:05             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 19:15               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:42                 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-31 15:37                   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:30               ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:56               ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-31  9:03                 ` André Pönitz
2008-07-31  9:33                   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 10:07                   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-30  5:24         ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-30 18:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:29             ` David Carlton
2008-07-30 20:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-31  4:52               ` Michael Veksler
2008-07-31 20:03             ` Ian Lance Taylor [this message]
2008-07-30  9:25         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 11:55           ` Salvatore Lionetti
2008-07-30 18:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:19             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-29 23:59     ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 19:35 ` Jan Kratochvil
2008-07-10 22:41 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-11  9:57   ` Andrew STUBBS
2008-07-11 11:44     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 12:43       ` Pierre Muller
2008-07-11 13:14     ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-13 23:18   ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-14  0:15     ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-14  8:49       ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 13:21         ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 15:54           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 15:58             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:03             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:23               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 16:39                 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 17:53                   ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-16 19:06                     ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-14 17:54                 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-14 16:12             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-14 16:15               ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:18               ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:21                 ` Bob Rossi
2008-07-14 16:31               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 19:00   ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-12  3:30 ` Michael Snyder
2008-07-14 14:54   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-20 14:36 ` Michael Eager
2008-07-31  8:40 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-31 14:37   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 22:30     ` GDB to C++ issue: deletion Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 22:40       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-31 22:58         ` Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 23:25           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01  5:38       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-08-01  8:52       ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01  9:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 12:57           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 14:57             ` Paul Koning
2008-08-01 15:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:51           ` André Pönitz
     [not found]           ` <20080801125124.GA13594@caradoc.them.org>
     [not found]             ` <uzlnwn9jq.fsf@gnu.org>
2008-08-01 13:59               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:17                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 15:29                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:40                       ` Problem with can_use_hw_breakpoint Jeremy Bennett
2008-08-12 14:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:56                           ` Jeremy Bennett
2008-07-31 20:00   ` Move GDB to C++ ? Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:13     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 13:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 14:04         ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-04  9:34             ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 14:21         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 16:14         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 19:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02  5:55             ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02  8:07               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02  9:22                 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02  9:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 10:00                     ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 10:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:55       ` Mark Kettenis
2008-08-01 14:11         ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:02         ` Stan Shebs
2008-08-01 15:05         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 15:17           ` Daniel Jacobowitz

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