From: "André Pönitz" <apoenitz@trolltech.com>
To: gdb@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Move GDB to C++ ?
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:11:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200807301357.00658.apoenitz@trolltech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <488F5CAA.8050902@gnu.org>
On Tuesday 29 July 2008 20:08:42 Andrew Cagney wrote:
> The question I'm asking here is are we focusing on C++ as a solution,
> and mistakenly trying to rely on its features as a solution, when we
> should instead be first focusing on the design, what ever the
> implementation language?
I've seen a few code reviews on gdb-patches pointing out improper
(like missing) use, of, say, 'xfree'. Getting these right seems
straightforward from a conceptional point of view, yet humans
err, and there's a lot of time spent in creating such code and
reviewing it. Also, it adds a certain level of "line noise" to the code
making it at least for the casual reader of the code hard to distinguish
what the actual meaning of a chunk of code is, and what belongs
to the "house keeping".
This is one of the things C++ or (- better also in my opinion -)
"C with classes" can solve. Destructors are friends. So, yes,
C++ can help to solve proble like the problem of limited developer
resources.
It also can help to lower the entrance barrier, as less project
specific maintanance processes need to be learned when
less "maintanance" code is needed. Less time might be spent
on reading (the then un-needed) maintanance code, too.
Note that I said "can", not "will". Whether it will depends on the kind
of code that is accepted. Clearly, C++ _can_ be abused. It does
not have to, though, and I have still to see a project in that limbo
between C and C++ that did not gain from going at least to
"C with classes"....
Not sure this was helpful for anyone, but I simply could not resist ;-}
Andre'
PS: Incidentally, I came across the discussion because I was looking
for a place to ask a few "gdb user questions".
The list descriptions at http://sourceware.org/gdb/mailing-lists/
all seem to be a bit development-centric. Would this list here be ok
nevertheless?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-30 11:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-10 18:46 Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 19:01 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 20:01 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 20:04 ` Paul Koning
2008-07-10 20:40 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-10 21:31 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 22:30 ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-10 23:49 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-11 6:14 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 12:40 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 12:23 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-11 16:03 ` Dave Korn
2008-07-10 21:54 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-11 6:26 ` Joel Brobecker
2008-07-11 8:55 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 9:23 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-07-11 9:32 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 14:27 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 14:34 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 14:54 ` Paul Koning
2008-07-11 15:30 ` Pedro Alves
2008-07-11 16:09 ` Dave Korn
2008-07-11 16:26 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-12 5:41 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-29 17:29 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 18:08 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-29 18:09 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:05 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 19:06 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:35 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-30 7:18 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 12:11 ` André Pönitz [this message]
2008-07-30 12:35 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-30 15:39 ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 17:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:45 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 18:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:05 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:42 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-31 15:37 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:30 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:56 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-31 9:03 ` André Pönitz
2008-07-31 9:33 ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 10:07 ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-30 5:24 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-30 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:29 ` David Carlton
2008-07-30 20:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-31 4:52 ` Michael Veksler
2008-07-31 20:03 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-07-30 9:25 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 11:55 ` Salvatore Lionetti
2008-07-30 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:19 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-29 23:59 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 19:35 ` Jan Kratochvil
2008-07-10 22:41 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-11 9:57 ` Andrew STUBBS
2008-07-11 11:44 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 12:43 ` Pierre Muller
2008-07-11 13:14 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-13 23:18 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-14 0:15 ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-14 8:49 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 13:21 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 15:54 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 15:58 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:03 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:23 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 16:39 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 17:53 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-16 19:06 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-14 17:54 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-14 16:12 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-14 16:15 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:18 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:21 ` Bob Rossi
2008-07-14 16:31 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 19:00 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-12 3:30 ` Michael Snyder
2008-07-14 14:54 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-20 14:36 ` Michael Eager
2008-07-31 8:40 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-31 14:37 ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 22:30 ` GDB to C++ issue: deletion Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 22:40 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-31 22:58 ` Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 23:25 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 5:38 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-08-01 8:52 ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 9:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 12:57 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 14:57 ` Paul Koning
2008-08-01 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:51 ` André Pönitz
[not found] ` <20080801125124.GA13594@caradoc.them.org>
[not found] ` <uzlnwn9jq.fsf@gnu.org>
2008-08-01 13:59 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 15:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:40 ` Problem with can_use_hw_breakpoint Jeremy Bennett
2008-08-12 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:56 ` Jeremy Bennett
2008-07-31 20:00 ` Move GDB to C++ ? Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:13 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 13:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 14:04 ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-04 9:34 ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 14:21 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 16:14 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 5:55 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 8:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 9:22 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 9:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 10:00 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:55 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-08-01 14:11 ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:02 ` Stan Shebs
2008-08-01 15:05 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 15:17 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
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