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From: Mark Kettenis <mark.kettenis@xs4all.nl>
To: apoenitz@trolltech.com
Cc: gdb@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Move GDB to C++ ?
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:35:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200807301212.m6UCCjHj007466@brahms.sibelius.xs4all.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200807301357.00658.apoenitz@trolltech.com> (message from 	=?iso-8859-1?q?Andr=E9_P=F6nitz?= on Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:56:56 +0200)

> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Andr=E9_P=F6nitz?= <apoenitz@trolltech.com>
> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:56:56 +0200
> 
> On Tuesday 29 July 2008 20:08:42 Andrew Cagney wrote:
> > The question I'm asking here is are we focusing on C++ as a solution, 
> > and mistakenly trying to rely on its features as a solution, when we 
> > should instead be first focusing on the design, what ever the 
> > implementation language?
> 
> I've seen a few code reviews on gdb-patches pointing out improper
> (like missing) use, of, say, 'xfree'. Getting these right seems 
> straightforward from a conceptional point of view, yet humans
> err, and there's a lot of time spent in creating such code and
> reviewing it. Also, it adds a certain level of "line noise" to the code
> making it at least for the casual reader of the code hard to distinguish
> what the actual meaning of a chunk of code is, and what belongs
> to the "house keeping". 
> 
> This is one of the things C++ or  (- better also in my opinion -)
> "C with classes" can solve. Destructors are friends. So, yes,
> C++ can help to solve proble like the problem of limited developer
> resources.

Dream on.  How is xfree() different from delete?  Oh you have smart
pointers.  You'd better make sure you use them consistently in your
code, otherwise you end up getting yourself in the confused state
where you can't even tell whether there's a missing delete or not.
And then you decide to use a third-party C++ library.  Now you're
almost certainly using your smart pointer inconsistently, or worse,
have smart pointers with different semantics.

Yes, C++ has some features that make memory management easier in
theory.  But they're not the magic bullet that their proponents claim
them to be.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-30 12:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-10 18:46 Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 19:01 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 20:01   ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 20:04     ` Paul Koning
2008-07-10 20:40       ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-10 21:31         ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 22:30           ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-10 23:49             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-11  6:14           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 12:40           ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 12:23         ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-11 16:03       ` Dave Korn
2008-07-10 21:54     ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-11  6:26       ` Joel Brobecker
2008-07-11  8:55         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11  9:23           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-07-11  9:32             ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 14:27           ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 14:34             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 14:54             ` Paul Koning
2008-07-11 15:30             ` Pedro Alves
2008-07-11 16:09         ` Dave Korn
2008-07-11 16:26           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-12  5:41             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-29 17:29   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 18:08     ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-29 18:09       ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:05       ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 19:06         ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:35           ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-30  7:18         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 12:11         ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 12:35           ` Mark Kettenis [this message]
2008-07-30 15:39             ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 17:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 17:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:32       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:45         ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 18:18           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:05             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 19:15               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:42                 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-31 15:37                   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:30               ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:56               ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-31  9:03                 ` André Pönitz
2008-07-31  9:33                   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 10:07                   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-30  5:24         ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-30 18:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:29             ` David Carlton
2008-07-30 20:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-31  4:52               ` Michael Veksler
2008-07-31 20:03             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-07-30  9:25         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 11:55           ` Salvatore Lionetti
2008-07-30 18:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:19             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-29 23:59     ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 19:35 ` Jan Kratochvil
2008-07-10 22:41 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-11  9:57   ` Andrew STUBBS
2008-07-11 11:44     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 12:43       ` Pierre Muller
2008-07-11 13:14     ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-13 23:18   ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-14  0:15     ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-14  8:49       ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 13:21         ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 15:54           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 15:58             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:03             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:23               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 16:39                 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 17:53                   ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-16 19:06                     ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-14 17:54                 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-14 16:12             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-14 16:15               ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:18               ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:21                 ` Bob Rossi
2008-07-14 16:31               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 19:00   ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-12  3:30 ` Michael Snyder
2008-07-14 14:54   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-20 14:36 ` Michael Eager
2008-07-31  8:40 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-31 14:37   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 22:30     ` GDB to C++ issue: deletion Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 22:40       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-31 22:58         ` Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 23:25           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01  5:38       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-08-01  8:52       ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01  9:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 12:57           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 14:57             ` Paul Koning
2008-08-01 15:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:51           ` André Pönitz
     [not found]           ` <20080801125124.GA13594@caradoc.them.org>
     [not found]             ` <uzlnwn9jq.fsf@gnu.org>
2008-08-01 13:59               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:17                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 15:29                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:40                       ` Problem with can_use_hw_breakpoint Jeremy Bennett
2008-08-12 14:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:56                           ` Jeremy Bennett
2008-07-31 20:00   ` Move GDB to C++ ? Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:13     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 13:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 14:04         ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-04  9:34             ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 14:21         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 16:14         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 19:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02  5:55             ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02  8:07               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02  9:22                 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02  9:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 10:00                     ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 10:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:55       ` Mark Kettenis
2008-08-01 14:11         ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:02         ` Stan Shebs
2008-08-01 15:05         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 15:17           ` Daniel Jacobowitz

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