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From: Andrew Cagney <cagney@gnu.org>
To: Mark Kettenis <mark.kettenis@xs4all.nl>
Cc: stanshebs@earthlink.net, gdb@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Move GDB to C++ ?
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:29:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <488F4AA7.7060001@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200807101901.m6AJ1UMQ007185@brahms.sibelius.xs4all.nl>

Mark Kettenis wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:46:15 -0700
>> From: Stan Shebs <stanshebs@earthlink.net>
>>
>> As many know, there is a project afoot to investigate the recoding of 
>> GCC from C into C++. I believe the C++ idea was briefly touched on for 
>> GDB at the summit, although I don't remember much discussion. Anyway, 
>> this would be a good time to start thinking about it, and if people are 
>> generally in favor of the idea, we can start small by tweaking the 
>> sources to be C++-friendly, avoiding keywords and so forth; GCC has a 
>> new warning flag -Wcxx-compat that can help.
>>     
>
> I think this is an absolutely retarded idea.  C++ is a horrible
> programming language.
>   
Mark,

I appreciate your pain here - as some would put it "C++ is the answer, 
now what was the question? :-)" - and having considered this further, 
wonder if both this thread and a proposed implementation as part of the 
archer project are being too quick to put the C++ cart before the 
architectural horse :-)

Instead of changing GDB to C++ and hoping the change will magically 
transform GDB's code base into a clean ideal design; should we instead 
be focused on trying to address what I suspect is the underlying 
motivation here - a desire to clean up and re-structure GDB's code base 
so that it more clearly corresponds to a more modern Object Oriented design?

If we consider this as an important goal, and find a way to more 
smoothly facilitate this development (multi-arch, at 9 years, in my not 
so humble opinion, was too slow)  we'll be able to improve GDB's 
internal architecture without using C++.  Then, in time, with a clearer 
O-O design, we can re-consider choices such as language.

Thoughts?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-29 16:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-10 18:46 Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 19:01 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 20:01   ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 20:04     ` Paul Koning
2008-07-10 20:40       ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-10 21:31         ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 22:30           ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-10 23:49             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-11  6:14           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 12:40           ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 12:23         ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-11 16:03       ` Dave Korn
2008-07-10 21:54     ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-11  6:26       ` Joel Brobecker
2008-07-11  8:55         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11  9:23           ` Andreas Schwab
2008-07-11  9:32             ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 14:27           ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 14:34             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 14:54             ` Paul Koning
2008-07-11 15:30             ` Pedro Alves
2008-07-11 16:09         ` Dave Korn
2008-07-11 16:26           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-12  5:41             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-29 17:29   ` Andrew Cagney [this message]
2008-07-29 18:08     ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-29 18:09       ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:05       ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 19:06         ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:35           ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-30  7:18         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 12:11         ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 12:35           ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-30 15:39             ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 17:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 17:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:32       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:45         ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 18:18           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:05             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 19:15               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:42                 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-31 15:37                   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:30               ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:56               ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-31  9:03                 ` André Pönitz
2008-07-31  9:33                   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 10:07                   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-30  5:24         ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-30 18:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:29             ` David Carlton
2008-07-30 20:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-31  4:52               ` Michael Veksler
2008-07-31 20:03             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-07-30  9:25         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 11:55           ` Salvatore Lionetti
2008-07-30 18:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:19             ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-29 23:59     ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 19:35 ` Jan Kratochvil
2008-07-10 22:41 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-11  9:57   ` Andrew STUBBS
2008-07-11 11:44     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 12:43       ` Pierre Muller
2008-07-11 13:14     ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-13 23:18   ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-14  0:15     ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-14  8:49       ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 13:21         ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 15:54           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 15:58             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:03             ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:23               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 16:39                 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 17:53                   ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-16 19:06                     ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-14 17:54                 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-14 16:12             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-14 16:15               ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:18               ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:21                 ` Bob Rossi
2008-07-14 16:31               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 19:00   ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-12  3:30 ` Michael Snyder
2008-07-14 14:54   ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-20 14:36 ` Michael Eager
2008-07-31  8:40 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-31 14:37   ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 22:30     ` GDB to C++ issue: deletion Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 22:40       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-31 22:58         ` Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 23:25           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01  5:38       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-08-01  8:52       ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01  9:53         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 12:57           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 14:57             ` Paul Koning
2008-08-01 15:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:51           ` André Pönitz
     [not found]           ` <20080801125124.GA13594@caradoc.them.org>
     [not found]             ` <uzlnwn9jq.fsf@gnu.org>
2008-08-01 13:59               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:17                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 15:29                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:40                       ` Problem with can_use_hw_breakpoint Jeremy Bennett
2008-08-12 14:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:56                           ` Jeremy Bennett
2008-07-31 20:00   ` Move GDB to C++ ? Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:13     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 13:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 14:04         ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-04  9:34             ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 14:21         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 16:14         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 19:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02  5:55             ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02  8:07               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02  9:22                 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02  9:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 10:00                     ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 10:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:55       ` Mark Kettenis
2008-08-01 14:11         ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:02         ` Stan Shebs
2008-08-01 15:05         ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 15:17           ` Daniel Jacobowitz

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