From: Stan Shebs <stan@codesourcery.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: gdb@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Move GDB to C++ ?
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:19:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4890BDBC.4060400@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uwsj3ns1w.fsf@gnu.org>
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Vladimir Prus <vladimir@codesourcery.com>
>> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:18:09 +0400
>>
>>
>>> Unless we can answer this question, refactoring and rewriting is
>>> simply waste of resources, nothing less, nothing more.
>>>
>> And here, you also surely know what is generally goal of refactoring --
>> to make code simpler and more amendable for future change.
>>
>
> No, refactoring always has some specific goal. Only given a specific
> goal, can one weigh the alternatives -- one to keep existing design
> and code and change it, the other to refactor it and then extend the
> result. You need to have a clear goal so that you could balance
> advantages against disadvantages. Without a goal, all you have is
> disadvantages (the overhead and effort of refactoring), because
> advantages cannot be estimated without a specific goal in sight. How
> do you estimate an advantage of ``making code simpler and more
> amenable to change''? You can't.
>
But to be fair, the coding standards we already impose don't usually
have quantifiable benefits. In fact your argument could be used against
any kind of abstraction in the code (how do you prove that the target
stack is advantageous over some other design?), or against the adding of
comments (can you demonstrate that any particular comment block is
helping any other developers?).
I actually think this is one of the unheralded strengths of free
software over proprietary - we're always able to transform the code into
something we all *want* to work on. By contrast, proprietary code so
often degenerates into undocumented spaghetti, because it only gets
touched when there is an obvious short-term benefit, and only touched
enough to realize the short-term result.
If everybody simply said "yes, I would prefer working on a GDB written
in C++", I would consider that sufficient justification all by itself,
even if there were no technical reasons.
Stan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-30 19:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-10 18:46 Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 19:01 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 20:01 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 20:04 ` Paul Koning
2008-07-10 20:40 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-10 21:31 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-10 22:30 ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-10 23:49 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-11 6:14 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 12:40 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 12:23 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-11 16:03 ` Dave Korn
2008-07-10 21:54 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-11 6:26 ` Joel Brobecker
2008-07-11 8:55 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 9:23 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-07-11 9:32 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-11 14:27 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-11 14:34 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 14:54 ` Paul Koning
2008-07-11 15:30 ` Pedro Alves
2008-07-11 16:09 ` Dave Korn
2008-07-11 16:26 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-12 5:41 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-29 17:29 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 18:08 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-29 18:09 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:05 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-29 19:06 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-29 19:35 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-30 7:18 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 12:11 ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 12:35 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-30 15:39 ` André Pönitz
2008-07-30 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 17:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-29 19:45 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 18:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:05 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-30 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:42 ` Stan Shebs
2008-07-31 15:37 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:30 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-30 19:56 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-31 9:03 ` André Pönitz
2008-07-31 9:33 ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 10:07 ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-30 5:24 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-30 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:29 ` David Carlton
2008-07-30 20:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 20:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-31 4:52 ` Michael Veksler
2008-07-31 20:03 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-07-30 9:25 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-30 11:55 ` Salvatore Lionetti
2008-07-30 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30 19:19 ` Stan Shebs [this message]
2008-07-29 23:59 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-10 19:35 ` Jan Kratochvil
2008-07-10 22:41 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-11 9:57 ` Andrew STUBBS
2008-07-11 11:44 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-11 12:43 ` Pierre Muller
2008-07-11 13:14 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-13 23:18 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-14 0:15 ` Nick Roberts
2008-07-14 8:49 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 13:21 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 15:54 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 15:58 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:03 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:23 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 16:39 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 17:53 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-16 19:06 ` Thiago Jung Bauermann
2008-07-14 17:54 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-07-14 16:12 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-14 16:15 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:18 ` Robert Dewar
2008-07-14 16:21 ` Bob Rossi
2008-07-14 16:31 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-14 19:00 ` Tom Tromey
2008-07-12 3:30 ` Michael Snyder
2008-07-14 14:54 ` Andrew Cagney
2008-07-20 14:36 ` Michael Eager
2008-07-31 8:40 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-07-31 14:37 ` Alpár Jüttner
2008-07-31 22:30 ` GDB to C++ issue: deletion Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 22:40 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-07-31 22:58 ` Paul Hilfinger
2008-07-31 23:25 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 5:38 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2008-08-01 8:52 ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 9:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 12:57 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 14:57 ` Paul Koning
2008-08-01 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:51 ` André Pönitz
[not found] ` <20080801125124.GA13594@caradoc.them.org>
[not found] ` <uzlnwn9jq.fsf@gnu.org>
2008-08-01 13:59 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 15:29 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:40 ` Problem with can_use_hw_breakpoint Jeremy Bennett
2008-08-12 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 14:56 ` Jeremy Bennett
2008-07-31 20:00 ` Move GDB to C++ ? Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:13 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 13:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 14:04 ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-04 9:34 ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 14:21 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-08-01 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 16:14 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 5:55 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 8:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 9:22 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 9:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-02 10:00 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-02 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-01 13:55 ` Mark Kettenis
2008-08-01 14:11 ` André Pönitz
2008-08-01 15:02 ` Stan Shebs
2008-08-01 15:05 ` Vladimir Prus
2008-08-01 15:17 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
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