Apple's async changes

Apple's async changes

[Mark Newman]

Would it be possible for Apple to provide a current
snap of their version of gdb?

The current snaps are old and I would like to reflect
some of their work into async.

                          Mark Newman

Re: Apple's async changes

[Mark Newman]

Jim Ingham -

Would it be possible to get a freash snap of the Apple
surce code?  You pointed out where the CVS is -
however there are problems using the Apple CVS.  Is
there anything that I can do to help getting a snap to
the FSF?

                         Mark Newman

--- Mark Newman <markn_46@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Would it be possible for Apple to provide a current
> snap of their version of gdb?
> 
> The current snaps are old and I would like to
> reflect
> some of their work into async.
> 
>                           Mark Newman

Re: Apple's async changes

[Jim Ingham]

What are the problems using the Apple CVS?

Jim

On Dec 5, 2003, at 9:56 AM, Mark Newman wrote:

> Jim Ingham -
>
> Would it be possible to get a freash snap of the Apple
> surce code?  You pointed out where the CVS is -
> however there are problems using the Apple CVS.  Is
> there anything that I can do to help getting a snap to
> the FSF?
>
>                          Mark Newman
>
> --- Mark Newman <markn_46@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Would it be possible for Apple to provide a current
>> snap of their version of gdb?
>>
>> The current snaps are old and I would like to
>> reflect
>> some of their work into async.
>>
>>                           Mark Newman
>
>
--
Jim Ingham                                   jingham@apple.com
Developer Tools
Apple Computer

Re: Apple's async changes

[Andrew Cagney]

> What are the problems using the Apple CVS?

People are more comfortable (and feel that they are on safer legal 
ground) if they take change from a work that Apple has clearly and 
publically contributed to and been accepted by the FSF.

Andrew

Re: Apple's async changes

[Jason Molenda]

That's absurd -- I think you're the only one concerned about the fact 
that we haven't tarred up our sources on some given date and uploaded 
them to an ftp server.   Is it the statement that you want?  Like the 
one I wrote when I tarred up the sources and uploaded them to the ftp 
server a while back?  I can write another one saying "Yeah, it's all 
for the FSF, please anyone who wants to use any of that code, do it," 
if that makes a difference in your mind.  No one in the Apple developer 
tools department -- up through our VP -- wants anything but to 
contribute this code to the FSF source bases.

The async code in the last Apple drop and the async code in the Apple 
CVS repo are very nearly identical - we got that working long ago, and 
we only fix an occasional bug a couple times a year.

J

On Dec 5, 2003, at 11:20 AM, Andrew Cagney wrote:

>> What are the problems using the Apple CVS?
>
> People are more comfortable (and feel that they are on safer legal 
> ground) if they take change from a work that Apple has clearly and 
> publically contributed to and been accepted by the FSF.
>
> Andrew
>
>

Re: Apple's async changes

[Jason Molenda]

By the way, in case anyone didn't have the instructions handy, here's 
the page about the Apple public cvs server:
	http://developer.apple.com/darwin/tools/cvs/howto.html

In short, do

cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.opensource.apple.com:/cvs/root login
("anonyous")
cvs -z3 -d :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.opensource.apple.com:/cvs/root co 
gdb

Jason

On Dec 4, 2003, at 3:17 PM, Mark Newman wrote:

>
> Would it be possible for Apple to provide a current
> snap of their version of gdb?
>
> The current snaps are old and I would like to reflect
> some of their work into async.
>
>                           Mark Newman
>

Re: Apple's async changes

[Andrew Cagney]

> That's absurd -- I think you're the only one concerned about the fact that we haven't tarred up our sources on some given date and uploaded them to an ftp server.   Is it the statement that you want?  Like the one I wrote when I tarred up the sources and uploaded them to the ftp server a while back?  I can write another one saying "Yeah, it's all for the FSF, please anyone who wants to use any of that code, do it," if that makes a difference in your mind.  No one in the Apple developer tools department -- up through our VP -- wants anything but to contribute this code to the FSF source bases.
> 
> The async code in the last Apple drop and the async code in the Apple CVS repo are very nearly identical - we got that working long ago, and we only fix an occasional bug a couple times a year.

Mark Newman, who is currently working on async, has had concerns raised 
by his legal counsel about him taking code from an apple repository. 
Rather than run around in circles over this, I figured it would be 
easier to just get you to bundle up a snapshot and shoot it over.  That 
way, we can side step the lawyers.

Andrew

Re: Apple's async changes

[Mark Newman]

I'm sorry Jason - I know that it appears ridiculous
but the attorney that I talked to made it clear that I
could only use something from the FSF.  I am sorry
that I am causing such a problem but I have to follow
the rules that they are laying down for me.  Beleive
me that I also think that this is ridiculous - that is
what lawyers do.

Please help me out - I would like to leverage off of
Apple's stuff for async.  If what has already been
delivered is the bulk of the changes then I will live
with that.  However I would very much like to have
current code.

I am sorry that this is working out this way - please
bear with me.

                        Mark Newman

--- Jason Molenda <jmolenda@apple.com> wrote:
> By the way, in case anyone didn't have the
> instructions handy, here's 
> the page about the Apple public cvs server:
> 
>
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/tools/cvs/howto.html
> 
> In short, do
> 
> cvs -d
>
:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.opensource.apple.com:/cvs/root
> login
> ("anonyous")
> cvs -z3 -d
>
:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.opensource.apple.com:/cvs/root
> co 
> gdb
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Dec 4, 2003, at 3:17 PM, Mark Newman wrote:
> 
> >
> > Would it be possible for Apple to provide a
> current
> > snap of their version of gdb?
> >
> > The current snaps are old and I would like to
> reflect
> > some of their work into async.
> >
> >                           Mark Newman
> >
> 

Re: Apple's async changes

[Daniel Berlin]

On Dec 5, 2003, at 5:25 PM, Mark Newman wrote:

> I'm sorry Jason - I know that it appears ridiculous
> but the attorney that I talked to made it clear that I
> could only use something from the FSF.  I am sorry
> that I am causing such a problem but I have to follow
> the rules that they are laying down for me.  Beleive
> me that I also think that this is ridiculous - that is
> what lawyers do.

Not all of us.
Personally, i'm about to be a lawyer, and i find this particular case 
ridiculous too.
But there are some incredibly anal retentive lawyers out there, who 
think it helps their clients, when in actuality it hurts them.
--Dan