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From: Zaretskii Eli <ezaretski@elta.co.il>
To: Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org>, Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@mvista.com>
Cc: Elena Zannoni <ezannoni@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Cagney <ac131313@redhat.com>,
	gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: RE: [maint] The GDB maintenance process
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:11:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D19136444628A40840EFE8C5AE04147017A44@ELTIMAIL1.elta.co.il> (raw)


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> From: Daniel Berlin [mailto:dberlin@dberlin.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:24 PM
> 
> > I guess I just don't see this to be as much of a problem as  others
do.
> > For one thing, with the higher entropy level, more development
actually
> > happens.
> Bingo.
> I don't think we should stall development (and in the 
> extreme,  even if 
> it means we can't make quality releases any day of the year) because 
> mistakes occasionally happen in patches, or because not every 
> maintainer in existence has said something about a patch.  That's a 
> recipe for no progress.

For some definition of ``progress''.

Who said that adding code at a faster rate at the price of having more
bugs is more ``progress'' than what we have now?  There are people out
there who need GDB to actually do something _useful_, not just to debug
and/or develop GDB itself, you know.  What about frustration of those
GDB users when their favorite feature is broken by some
committed-before-review patch that adds a hot new feature?  Does that
ever count?

Does anyone remember that latest GCC releases are practically unusable
for any production-quality work due to bugs?  Does anyone even care?

I say thanks God for slower development of GDB.  At least I can _debug_
buggy code produced by buggy development tools ;-)

Of course, if contributors are frustrated by the slow review rate, let's
try to improve that (see my other mail).  But let's not obscure our view
of the problem by discussing abstract issues of ``progress''.  An
official release every 3 months is more than enough progress for my
taste.


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             reply	other threads:[~2003-02-20 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-20 20:11 Zaretskii Eli [this message]
2003-02-20 14:58 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-20 15:56   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-20 16:39     ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-20 15:16 ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-20 16:19   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-20 16:24     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-20 16:31     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-20 17:13     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-22 23:25   ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-02-23  1:57     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-23 19:23       ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-24  5:29 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2003-02-20 20:11 Zaretskii Eli
2003-02-18  6:08 Zaretskii Eli
2003-02-17 18:07 Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found] ` <drow@mvista.com>
2003-02-17 18:58   ` Kevin Buettner
2003-02-17 21:01 ` Elena Zannoni
2003-02-19  1:49   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-19  2:26     ` Joel Brobecker
2003-02-19 15:43       ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 16:29         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-19 22:04           ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 13:24     ` Daniel Berlin
2003-02-19 15:51       ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 14:50     ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 17:33       ` David Carlton
2003-02-19 17:57         ` Kevin Buettner
2003-02-19 18:56           ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 20:39             ` Christopher Faylor
2003-02-19 23:17               ` Jason Molenda
2003-02-20  1:53                 ` Christopher Faylor
2003-02-19 19:35           ` David Carlton
2003-02-20 18:32       ` Richard Earnshaw
2003-02-22  0:53         ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 15:12     ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 15:21       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-19 16:24         ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 18:36           ` Christopher Faylor
2003-02-19 23:36           ` Jason Molenda
2003-02-19 23:52             ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 23:59               ` Jason Molenda
2003-02-20  0:16                 ` Elena Zannoni
2003-02-20  0:21                 ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-18  2:39 ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-18  4:28 ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19  3:49   ` Jim Blandy
2003-02-19 16:14     ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 16:31       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-19  2:24 ` Jim Blandy
2003-02-19 16:33   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 22:24     ` Jim Blandy
2003-02-19 22:39       ` Christopher Faylor
2003-02-19 22:53         ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19 23:53       ` Elena Zannoni
2003-02-20  1:27         ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-20  2:48   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-21 23:43   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-21 23:57   ` Andrew Cagney
2003-02-19  6:05 ` David Carlton
2003-02-23 23:26 ` Mark Kettenis
2003-02-24  7:18   ` Andrew Cagney

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