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From: Alain Magloire <alain@qnx.com>
To: Vladimir Prus <ghost@cs.msu.su>, gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: RE: asynchronous MI output commands
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:15:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3518719F06577C4F85DA618E3C37AB9105359CCA@nimbus.ott.qnx.com> (raw)



> 
> Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 11:09:51PM +0200, Bjarke Viksoe wrote:
> >> In my case I wish to submit several commands at once and slowly digest
> >> the answer (over a remote line where the network round-trip is slow).
> >> Using the <token> is clumsy and doesn't solve the problem of having
> >> enough information to process the answer without keeping track of the
> >> question. Since separate components handle the output autonomously, I
> had
> >> to give up tracking a command-list, and instead had to make sure only 1
> >> question was lingering - thus making the entire solution run much
> slower
> >> than otherwise needed.
> >>
> >> I found that commands that return "^value" result-records (such as
> >> -var-evaluate-expression and -data-evaluate-expression) doesn't carry
> >> enough information. I don't think a model where the entire command is
> >> repeated in the output is a desirable design, but at least identifying
> >> the question-type and its crucial parameters would suffice.
> >
> > If I were writing a front-end, I would have an arbitration layer which
> > sent questions to GDB and received answers.  The answers will come back
> > one at a time, in the same order the questions were asked.  If you send
> > two -var-evaluate-expression commands, you'll get back two answers, in
> > that same order.
> >
> > Am I missing something?  Is there a reason that this isn't enough?
> 
> For the record, that's basically what I have in KDevelop. There's command
> queue, and commands are sent to gdb one-at-a-time, and responses come
> exactly in the same order. Remembering the last issued command (i.e.
> instance of GDBCommand class internal to KDevelop) makes it possible to
> route the response back to the original command.
> 
> I'm don't quite understand the problems being discussed in this thread.
> It's
> not apparent why one has to know the type of the last command while
> parsing, and if so, why remembering the last command is bad idea.
> 
> It's hard to believe that response from MI can be useful without knowing
> the
> last issued command. Say, response from -data-evaluate-expression is
> useless if you don't know what part of frontend wants that data --
> evaluating expression is used in many use cases. So, you need to associate
> extra data with commands anyway.
>

I agree, the example that comes to my mind is "next", "step", "finish",
"continue" etc ...  To do some optimization front-ends will probably need to
know the last command issue (for example clearing all the variable state in
a variable view for "continue").

Maybe I'm mistaken but I have the impression, looking at the thread, some
folks are confusing OOB and synchronous response that comes after issuing a
command.

An implementation of MI could be made to be totally asynchronous if all
response could be tag to a matching command.  OOB should not be paired to
any commands. 



             reply	other threads:[~2006-05-10 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-10 22:15 Alain Magloire [this message]
2006-05-11  3:41 ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-11  8:58   ` Vladimir Prus
2006-05-11 10:48     ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-11 10:52       ` Vladimir Prus
2006-05-11 11:14         ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-11 12:50           ` Vladimir Prus
2006-05-11 14:50             ` Bob Rossi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-05-12  0:19 Alain Magloire
2006-05-11 15:02 Alain Magloire
2006-05-11 15:42 ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-11 16:40   ` Jim Ingham
2006-05-11 17:03     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-11 17:35       ` Jim Ingham
2006-05-11 19:24     ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-11 19:25       ` Jim Ingham
2006-05-09  9:46 Alain Magloire
2006-05-07 22:30 Bjarke Viksoe
2006-05-07 22:50 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-08  0:36   ` Bjarke Viksoe
2006-05-08  1:52     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found] <1147034156.28828.ezmlm@sourceware.org>
2006-05-07 21:27 ` Bjarke Viksoe
2006-05-07 21:41   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-10 12:43     ` Vladimir Prus
2006-05-06  1:26 Bob Rossi
2006-05-06  1:59 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-06  2:48   ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-06  3:37     ` Nick Roberts
2006-05-06 15:20       ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-06  4:06     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-06  4:05       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-06 11:53       ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-06 12:06         ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-06  3:14   ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-06  4:04     ` Nick Roberts
2006-05-06 11:49       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-06 11:50         ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-06 16:52           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-06 19:45             ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-06 20:37               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-07  0:44                 ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-07 20:35                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-07 20:42                     ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-07 22:01                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-08  1:22                         ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-08  2:03                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-05-09 21:48                             ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-08  6:38                           ` Nick Roberts
2006-05-08 11:28                             ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-08  1:26                         ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-06 11:51       ` Bob Rossi
2006-05-06  3:27 ` Nick Roberts
2006-05-06 16:40   ` Bob Rossi

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