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From: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@false.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: fche@redhat.com, dan@shearer.org, gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [discuss] Support for reverse-execution
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 14:19:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050521141931.GA430@nevyn.them.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01c55ded$Blat.v2.4$11e9e260@zahav.net.il>

On Sat, May 21, 2005 at 01:07:41PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> This leads me to another idea.  Perhaps we should implement a
> checkpointing infrastructure in GDB, and allow the user (perhaps not
> by default, but as part of some mode) to go back to every place where
> the program stopped, for whatever reason: breakpoint, watchpoint,
> single-stepping, etc.  That is, each time the inferior stops, ask the
> target for the information that fully describes its state, store that
> state description, and allow the user to rewind the target to any of
> the stored states.
> 
> I think this would be a great feature to have in all kinds of targets,
> including native, since the user can then step forward from the
> checkpoint to reach any point in between.

Two things.

One, it requires extensive additional support from the target.  State
is huge and complicated - multiple threads, file system operations,
network packets.  You need a target that supports checkpointing to do
this.  I'm told there are native platforms which could offer this - I
just don't know what any of them are.

Two, this is basically the same thing as the bookmarking feature
already proposed in this thread; just have GDB automatically take a
bookmark at every stop.

> If we implement something like that, perhaps we could ditch all the
> reverse-* commands whose names we are discussing at such length in
> this thread, and instead implement only one command, called, say,
> "rewind" or "backup" or some such.  That, and a set/show mode command
> to enable checkpointing would be enough, I think, to have 99% of the
> functionality originally suggested in this thread.

Not at all.  Here's a big use of reversible debugging: timing-sensitive
or otherwise very hard-to-reproduce problems.  You want to be able to
leave the program running, hooked up to a simulator and a debugger, and
then once the mysterious bug has occurred back up a little bit to see
why.

And the only way that checkpointing could be as user-friendly as
stepping would be if GDB emulated the latter on the former, I think
(already suggested).

> How would this suggestion of mine map to the remote targets and
> simulators that support checkpointing on the target side?

Just fine, all it needs is bookmarking.

-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery, LLC


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-05-21 14:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-16 17:47 Dan Shearer
2005-05-16 18:04 ` Dan Shearer
2005-05-20 18:15 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-21  0:05   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2005-05-21 10:13     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-21 10:28       ` Russell Shaw
2005-05-21 12:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-21 12:55           ` Russell Shaw
2005-05-21 14:39           ` Russell Shaw
2005-05-21 14:19       ` Daniel Jacobowitz [this message]
2005-05-21 15:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-21 17:43           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-23 19:39             ` Dan Shearer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-21 15:53 Paul Schlie
2005-05-20 22:11 Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 23:32 ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-20 21:59 Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 21:51 Michael Snyder
2005-05-21  9:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 21:44 Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 21:25 Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 21:16 Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 21:31 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-21  9:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-23 18:19   ` Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 21:11 Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 21:27 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 19:02 Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 20:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 21:03   ` Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 15:49 Paul Schlie
2005-05-20 17:41 ` Dan Shearer
2005-05-20 22:01   ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-20 22:08     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 22:43       ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-21  0:58         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-21  1:42           ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-21  1:53             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-21  1:56               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-21 15:03                 ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-21 14:13               ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-21 14:23                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-21 15:04                   ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-20 20:58 ` Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 21:35   ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-19  1:23 Dan Shearer
2005-05-19 13:01 ` Johan Rydberg
2005-05-19 13:18   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-19 13:47     ` Johan Rydberg
2005-05-20 10:37   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 11:37     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-20 13:18       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 13:36         ` Fabian Cenedese
2005-05-20 13:47           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 14:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 22:14         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 12:22     ` Johan Rydberg
2005-05-20 13:19       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 14:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 13:14     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 14:34       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 15:40       ` Johan Rydberg
2005-05-20 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-12 23:08 Michael Snyder
2005-05-13  6:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-19 13:46   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-19 18:46     ` Michael Snyder
2005-05-19 19:26       ` Johan Rydberg
2005-05-20 10:55     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 13:04       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 14:30         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 14:43           ` Andreas Schwab
2005-05-20 20:48         ` Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 20:51           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 20:38     ` Michael Snyder
2005-05-20 15:05 ` Vladimir Prus
2005-05-20 15:58   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 18:14     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-20 18:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-05-20 19:27   ` Stan Shebs

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