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From: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
To: Alan Modra <amodra@gmail.com>, Petr Ovtchenkov <ptr@void-ptr.info>
Cc: Joel Brobecker <brobecker@adacore.com>,
	Matthias Klose <doko@ubuntu.com>,
	Simon Marchi <simon.marchi@polymtl.ca>,
	Matt Rice <ratmice@gmail.com>,
	Fiodar Stryzhniou <fedor_qd@mail.ru>,
	Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>,
	Binutils <binutils@sourceware.org>, GDB <gdb@sourceware.org>
Subject: [PATCH] bfd/version.h: Add rationale for BFD_VERSION_DATE (Re: meaning of "Automatic date update in version.in" commits)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 09:49:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0f7c205c-7ecb-bc49-bf15-c753e576cdc0@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170921235936.GB25070@bubble.grove.modra.org>

Hi,

On 09/22/2017 12:59 AM, Alan Modra wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 08:38:57PM +0300, Petr Ovtchenkov wrote:
>> 1. Explicit "Automatic date update in version.in" commits litter commits tree,
>> but useless. All required info already present in git.
>> [Thanks for Ian Lance Taylor for the background!]
> 
> It isn't useless.  People build binutils from a variety of sources,
> git, tarballs, distro sources, then report bugs.  We want something
> that can easily identify the source they used.  The bfd version plus
> date is usually good enough for that purpose.
> 
>> Let's remove this "Automatic date update in version.in" commits.
> 
> No.  That won't happen unless we have something equivalent.  And it
> must work *without* git.
> 
>> 2. I see a lot of suggestions "Let's push date to SONAME, the date we
>> will take from ....".
>>
>> I trying to prevent such "solutions". Because it's not a solution, but
>> origin of another problems.
> 
> The date is in the soname because people naturally expect shared
> libraries with the same soname to have compatible ABIs.  During
> development, we could bump the bfd version on every ABI change, but
> that's just another thing contributors and maintainers would need to
> remember.  It's much easier for all if the soname contains the date.
> Again, it's not perfect but is good enough.
> 
> None of this is going to change just because you don't like a date
> stamp in the source.  You do realize that a bisect uses a binary
> search, don't you?  So doubling the number of commits just needs one
> extra build/test step on average.
> 
> Yes, it would be nice if the automatic date stamp update didn't happen
> when the most recent commit was a date update..
> 

I like this summary.  How about we put something like that in bfd/version.h ?

I assume that the bot is just replacing the line with
BFD_VERSION_DATE instead of regenerating the whole file from
scratch, but that's just guessing.  (I don't have sourceware
shell access; I have no idea how the auto updater is implemented.)

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From 08c8f26323a978608256cd574321d9f39658cc51 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:17:03 +0100
Subject: [PATCH] bfd/version.h: Add rationale for BFD_VERSION_DATE

bfd/ChangeLog:
yyyy-mm-dd  Pedro Alves  <palves@redhat.com>
	    Alan Modra  <amodra@gmail.com>

	* version.h: Add comment.
---
 bfd/version.h | 18 ++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 18 insertions(+)

diff --git a/bfd/version.h b/bfd/version.h
index 955269f..7d9151a 100644
--- a/bfd/version.h
+++ b/bfd/version.h
@@ -1,3 +1,21 @@
+/* The date below is automatically updated every day by a bot.  During
+   development, we include the date in the tools' version strings
+   (visible in 'ld -v' etc.) because people build binutils from a
+   variety of sources - git, tarballs, distro sources - and we want
+   something that can easily identify the source they used when they
+   report bugs.  The bfd version plus date is usually good enough for
+   that purpose.
+
+   During development, this date ends up in libbfd and libopcodes
+   sonames because people naturally expect shared libraries with the
+   same soname to have compatible ABIs.  We could bump the bfd version
+   on every ABI change, but that's just another thing contributors and
+   maintainers would need to remember.  Instead, it's much easier for
+   all if the soname contains the date.  This is not perfect but is
+   good enough.
+
+   In releases, the date is not included in either version strings or
+   sonames.  */
 #define BFD_VERSION_DATE 20170920
 #define BFD_VERSION @bfd_version@
 #define BFD_VERSION_STRING  @bfd_version_package@ @bfd_version_string@
-- 
2.5.5


  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-09-22  9:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-21  5:03 meaning of "Automatic date update in version.in" commits Fiodar Stryzhniou via gdb
2017-09-21  8:42 ` Matt Rice
2017-09-21 10:58   ` Petr Ovtchenkov
2017-09-21 11:37     ` Pedro Alves
     [not found]       ` <20170921152240.16bb4cc0@void-ptr.info>
2017-09-21 12:39         ` Pedro Alves
2017-09-21 13:17           ` Petr Ovtchenkov
2017-09-21 13:34             ` Simon Marchi
2017-09-21 15:46               ` Petr Ovtchenkov
2017-09-21 16:01                 ` Simon Marchi
2017-09-21 16:03                 ` Matthias Klose
2017-09-21 16:26                   ` Petr Ovtchenkov
2017-09-21 16:34                     ` Joel Brobecker
2017-09-21 16:52                       ` Petr Ovtchenkov
2017-09-21 17:00                         ` Joel Brobecker
2017-09-21 17:39                           ` Petr Ovtchenkov
2017-09-21 23:59                             ` Alan Modra
2017-09-22  5:31                               ` Petr Ovtchenkov
2017-09-22  6:49                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-09-22  9:29                                   ` Petr Ovtchenkov
2017-09-22 22:26                                   ` H.J. Lu
2017-09-22 22:35                                   ` H.J. Lu
2017-09-22  9:49                               ` Pedro Alves [this message]
2017-09-22 13:38                                 ` [PATCH] bfd/version.h: Add rationale for BFD_VERSION_DATE (Re: meaning of "Automatic date update in version.in" commits) Alan Modra
2017-09-22 13:47                                   ` Joel Brobecker
2017-09-22 13:59                                     ` Pedro Alves
2017-09-21 17:17   ` meaning of "Automatic date update in version.in" commits Joseph Myers
2017-09-21 17:31     ` Matt Rice

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