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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: David Carlton <david.carlton@sun.com>
Cc: gdb@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Maintainer policy for GDB
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:17:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <u8xvezlsu.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yf27jazf678.fsf@kealia.sfbay.sun.com> (message from David 	Carlton on Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:40:59 -0800)

> Cc: David Carlton <David.Carlton@sun.com>
> From: David Carlton <david.carlton@sun.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:40:59 -0800
> 
> > In other words (and sorry for over-simplification), you ask me to
> > assume that everybody else is nice and reasonable, and that, more
> > often than not, I will succeed in talking them into accepting my
> > opinions.
> 
> I think you will on the matter of documentation, yes.  I'm not so sure
> about djgpp - there, I suspect people will still listen to you, but
> there's probably more scope for reasonable people to disagree.

Documentation was just an example, let's not read too much into it.
What I really meant is code, since we are all programmers and thus
care much more about code than about docs.

> My first answer is "you could be wrong about whether a patch is a good
> one or not".  Personally, I would (strongly) prefer not to adopt a
> conflict resolution mechanism where we designate certain people as
> always winning arguments about specific areas of GDB.

If we designate people who deserve that, why not?  Are you saying that
you dislike or don't believe in leadership as a matter of principle?

> So I'm pretty leery about generalizing from that example.  (Which is,
> admittedly, unfair of me, given that I started this subthread exactly
> by asking you to talk more about that example!)

Well, right: we must generalize it, otherwise every example will not
teach us anything about the general issue.

> I have two different responses to this.
> 
> 1) We could go along with that, and not ask anybody to take
>    responsibility: we could have a notion of authorized committer
>    without any notion of responsible committer.  That wouldn't bother
>    me at all; the proposal seems slightly too complex for me as-is, so
>    I wouldn't mind simplifying it in that way.
> 
> 2) It's not obvious to me that asking people to be responsible is
>    unfair.  And, as long as people have the right to say "no, I don't
>    want to be responsible" and remain authorized to commit patches,
>    it's also not obvious to me that it's urgent for us to figure out
>    whether or not it's fair.  Why not leave it up to people to decide
>    if they want to take responsibility without being given any
>    additional authority in return?

These both boil down to not having anyone responsible.  I don't think
we should go as far as that.


  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-24  4:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-17  4:48 Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found] ` <8f2776cb0511162240q6f550008udda9803b5253fd88@mail.gmail.com>
2005-11-17  6:44   ` Fwd: " Jim Blandy
2005-11-17 14:04     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-17 17:07       ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-17 20:38         ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-17 20:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 20:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 20:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 21:10   ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-18  3:07     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18  3:26       ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18  3:30         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18  3:33           ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18  3:46           ` Wu Zhou
2005-11-18 11:09       ` Andrew STUBBS
2005-11-18 11:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 11:59           ` Andrew STUBBS
2005-11-18 13:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 15:26         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 18:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 18:44             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-11-18 18:51               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 21:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:46                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 22:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 22:41                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-19  9:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:51                   ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-18 22:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19  0:34                       ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-19 10:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-21  7:52                           ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-21 22:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 22:46                   ` David Carlton
2005-11-19 10:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-23  1:28                       ` David Carlton
2005-11-23 19:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-23 20:13                           ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-24  4:51                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-24 20:36                               ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-24 20:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-24 21:20                                   ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-25  3:07                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25  8:36                                     ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-25  8:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 17:07                                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 19:53                                           ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-25 20:43                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 20:10                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 21:03                                             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 21:38                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 23:04                                                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 23:42                                                   ` Mark Kettenis
2005-11-26  0:03                                                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-26  9:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-26  9:31                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-27 15:07                                                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-28  8:51                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25  9:23                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 16:04                                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 20:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-26  7:28                                           ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-26 15:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-26 16:38                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 20:41                           ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-24  4:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-24  2:05                           ` David Carlton
2005-11-24  6:17                             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2005-11-18 21:09               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:32                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 12:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 23:10 ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18 12:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 15:05     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 18:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 17:53     ` Paul Gilliam
2005-11-18 18:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 19:25         ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18 21:02         ` Paul Gilliam
2005-11-19  2:44         ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 10:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 17:05             ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 19:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 22:21                 ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 22:23                   ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 22:25                     ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 22:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 22:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-20  5:28                     ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-20 19:22                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-20 21:55                         ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-20 22:01                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 19:50     ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18 21:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 23:52 ` Mark Kettenis
2005-11-18 21:51 ` David Carlton
2005-11-27  4:50 Michael Snyder
2005-11-27  4:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-27  5:00 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-11-27 19:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-27 19:18 ` Christopher Faylor

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