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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: gdb@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Maintainer policy for GDB
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:15:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <u7jb65c8f.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051118030711.GB31581@nevyn.them.org> (message from Daniel Jacobowitz on Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:07:11 -0500)

> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:07:11 -0500
> From: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@false.org>
> 
> > > I absolutely don't want a voting system involved in this process.
> > 
> > Why not?
> 
> Here's the reasons that come to mind:
> 
>   - Voting systems are slow to use; it takes a long time to get
>     a reasonable number of responses from developers.
> 
>   - They require a huge amount of process, structure, and
>     documentation.  I spent a long time getting one adopted
>     for the steering committee, and I'm not eager to do it again.
> 
>   - In any dispute among the GDB developers, the SC is available
>     to resolve the issue.  They hold the final word - that's the
>     FSF's official position.  We don't need to be afraid to
>     invoke the SC; they're here to help.

In other words, you find voting (a) inconvenient and (b) unnecessary.
I thought you had more fundamental reasons; ``absolutely don't want''
seemed to imply that.

> The responsibility for patch review falls to the people
> listed in the "Responsible Maintainers" section, and then to the global
> maintainers for any patch without a responsible maintainer listed.  The
> authority is held by the global maintainers, the responsible
> maintainers within their broad areas, and the authorized committers
> within their possibly narrower areas.
> 
> Is that better?

Sorry, not really.  The difference between responsibility for patch
review and authority for patch review is still not clear: it sounds
like they both rest with the same people, responsible maintainers and
global maintainers.

Perhaps we lack a definition of what is included in responsibility and
what is included in authority.  The words are similar in semantic
meaning.  How about describing the process during which both the
responsibility and the authority are executed?

> No objection to referencing a Wiki (by nature a live document) from
> MAINTAINERS?

Not from me.

> > Do we consider it a as a goal to have someone listed for every "area"
> > (file?) in gdb?
> 
> In my opinion, no.  For instance, right now there's no one active on
> the list of maintainers who is keeping an eye on MI; therefore I don't
> think there's benefit from listing anyone in particular.

Isn't it desirable to have an expert for each area of GDB code?  If
not, why not? what are the disadvantages of that?  (I don't think this
is directly related to the present discussion, but I was too surprised
to read your negative response to Joel's question to let that go
without understanding it.)


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-18 13:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-17  4:48 Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-17 20:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 21:10   ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-18  3:07     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18  3:26       ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18  3:30         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18  3:33           ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18  3:46           ` Wu Zhou
2005-11-18 11:09       ` Andrew STUBBS
2005-11-18 11:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 11:59           ` Andrew STUBBS
2005-11-18 13:15       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2005-11-18 15:26         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 18:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 18:44             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-11-18 18:51               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 21:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:46                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 22:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 22:41                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-19  9:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:51                   ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-18 22:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19  0:34                       ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-19 10:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-21  7:52                           ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-21 22:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 22:46                   ` David Carlton
2005-11-19 10:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-23  1:28                       ` David Carlton
2005-11-23 19:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-23 20:13                           ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-24  4:51                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-24 20:36                               ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-24 20:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-24 21:20                                   ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-25  3:07                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25  8:36                                     ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-25  8:37                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 17:07                                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 19:53                                           ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-25 20:43                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 20:10                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 21:03                                             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 21:38                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 23:04                                                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 23:42                                                   ` Mark Kettenis
2005-11-26  0:03                                                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-26  9:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-26  9:31                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-27 15:07                                                     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-28  8:51                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25  9:23                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-25 16:04                                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-25 20:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-26  7:28                                           ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-26 15:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-26 16:38                                               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-23 20:41                           ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-24  4:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-24  2:05                           ` David Carlton
2005-11-24  6:17                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:09               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 21:32                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 12:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <8f2776cb0511162240q6f550008udda9803b5253fd88@mail.gmail.com>
2005-11-17  6:44   ` Fwd: " Jim Blandy
2005-11-17 14:04     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-17 17:07       ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-17 20:38         ` Jim Blandy
2005-11-17 20:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 20:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 23:10 ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18 12:42   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 15:05     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 18:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 17:53     ` Paul Gilliam
2005-11-18 18:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-18 19:25         ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18 21:02         ` Paul Gilliam
2005-11-19  2:44         ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 10:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 17:05             ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 19:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 22:21                 ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 22:23                   ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 22:25                     ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-19 22:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 22:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-20  5:28                     ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-20 19:22                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-20 21:55                         ` Christopher Faylor
2005-11-20 22:01                           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-11-18 19:50     ` Joel Brobecker
2005-11-18 21:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-17 23:52 ` Mark Kettenis
2005-11-18 21:51 ` David Carlton
2005-11-27  4:50 Michael Snyder
2005-11-27  4:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-27  5:00 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-11-27 19:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-27 19:18 ` Christopher Faylor

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