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From: Michael Snyder <msnyder@vmware.com>
To: Greg Law <glaw@undo-software.com>
Cc: Marc Khouzam <marc.khouzam@ericsson.com>,
	  'Hui Zhu' <teawater@gmail.com>,
	 "'gdb@sourceware.org'" <gdb@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [FYI] tutorial for process record and reverse debugging
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:31:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ADF29E3.3040308@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ADE2502.5060201@undo-software.com>

Greg Law wrote:
> Michael Snyder wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> 3) I'm in replay mode, possibly in the middle of the recording,
>>>> and I want to switch to record mode.  Now there are several
>>>> branching possibilities:  Do I want to:
>>>>
>>>>    a) Go to the end and start appending to the existing log?
>>> I can understand someone wanting this.
>>>
>>>>    b) Truncate the existing log at the point where I am, and
>>>>       start appending to the prefix?
>>> I never thought of this case.  I see now that for non-deterministic
>>> executions this could have value.
>> Not just that, though.  This is also what happens if we
>> change a memory or register value, eg. a variable that
>> controls a conditional branch.  We auto-delete the trailing
>> part of the execution log, because now we're going to go
>> forward in a different direction.
> 
> But what would we do about "external state"?

Well, I had only been talking in the context of process record,
which doesn't really deal all that well with external state,
as far as I know.

It's fine to open up the discussion to general reverse debugging,
but I think at some point different implementations are going to
have to have their own separate, dedicated commands (as process
record presently does).

Of course, the more generality, the better!


> Example, say I'm debugging a web-server, and half way through a 
> connection I go back, then truncate the log and start again in a new 
> direction.  And clients "mid-session" with the webserver are liable to 
> get mighty confused.

Speaking only for process record, I don't think process record
could handle that situation well.  It's called process record
for one reason because it only handles one process at a time
(in fact, currently only one thread at a time).


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-10-21 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-17 23:48 Michael Snyder
2009-10-19 12:36 ` Hui Zhu
2009-10-19 12:57 ` Marc Khouzam
2009-10-19 13:06   ` Hui Zhu
2009-10-19 13:20     ` Marc Khouzam
2009-10-19 16:35       ` Hui Zhu
2009-10-20  0:59         ` Michael Snyder
2009-10-19 18:24       ` Michael Snyder
2009-10-20  6:44         ` Marc Khouzam
2009-10-20 21:01           ` Michael Snyder
2009-10-21  5:16             ` Greg Law
2009-10-21 15:40               ` Marc Khouzam
2009-10-24 19:29                 ` Greg Law
2009-10-25  2:01                   ` Michael Snyder
2009-10-26  3:05                   ` Marc Khouzam
2009-10-26  9:59                 ` Jakob Engblom
2009-10-22  6:31               ` Michael Snyder [this message]
2009-10-21 15:06             ` Marc Khouzam
2009-10-26  7:54             ` Hui Zhu
2009-10-26  8:06             ` Jakob Engblom
2009-10-26  7:58       ` Jakob Engblom
2009-10-26 19:10         ` Michael Snyder
2009-10-27 18:32           ` Jakob Engblom
2009-10-19 18:23   ` Michael Snyder
2009-10-26  3:12     ` Hui Zhu
2009-10-26  8:02     ` Jakob Engblom

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