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From: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: brobecker@adacore.com, gdb-patches@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix "PC register is not available" issue
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:41:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5329C8B2.4040409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83a9cm9mwr.fsf@gnu.org>

On 03/19/2014 04:24 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 10:06:51 +0000
>> From: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
>> CC: brobecker@adacore.com, gdb-patches@sourceware.org
>>
>> On 03/19/2014 03:40 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>>> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:33:16 +0000
>>>> From: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
>>>> CC: Joel Brobecker <brobecker@adacore.com>, gdb-patches@sourceware.org
>>>>
>>>> I see that the GetThreadContext call (do_windows_fetch_inferior_registers)
>>>> doesn't check for errors (I think it should (*)).  It'd be interesting to know whether gdb can
>>>> actually read the registers off of this thread
>>>
>>> How to see those registers?
>>
>> Just "info registers" ?
> 
> That's what I thought, but ...
> 
>> If we can't even read registers off of it, and GetThreadContext
>> is failing, it means after your patch we'll be showing bogus
>> register contents for these threads.
> 
> ...how do you tell bogus register contents from correct contents?
> It's not like I know which register should have what value at any
> given time, do I?

The point is that GDB ignores GetThreadContext errors, and so
if indeed GetThreadContext fails, GDB happily proceeds
decoding a bogus th->context.  I mean, we should do this
in do_windows_fetch_inferior_registers:

-      GetThreadContext (th->h, &th->context);
+      CHECK (GetThreadContext (th->h, &th->context));

So that GetThreadContext fails, we at least see a warning.
I assume that if GetThreadContext does not fail, then the
register contents are correct.

> 
>> But I think GetThreadContext will indeed succeed for these threads.
> 
> Well, at least MSDN begs to differ:
> 
>   You cannot get a valid context for a running thread. Use the
>   SuspendThread function to suspend the thread before calling
>   GetThreadContext.

I mean it'll succeed because we only ever read registers when
threads are stopped for debug event.  I don't mean to imply
that those threads are special WRT to GetThreadContext.  It's
not valid to get a context for a _running_ thread.  But after a
debug event, no thread is running at all.  The OS already
stopped threads for us.

> 
>> AFAIK, we don't really need the SuspendThread calls when handling
>> a debug event, given that when WaitForDebugEvent returns a
>> stop event, all threads have already been stopped by the OS for us.
> 
> Yes, AFAIK that's true.

Alright, we were talking past each other then.

I did a little websearch, and I found evidence of other debuggers
also not using SuspendThread after events:

 http://www.ollydbg.de/Help/t_run.htm

"indebugevent
Application is paused on debug event, therefore Suspendallthreads() does not need to call SuspendThread()"

> 
>> We really only need to SuspendThread threads when we might want
>> to leave most threads paused on the next resume, for e.g., when
>> stepping over a breakpoint.  The suspend count handling in
>> windows-nat.c is quite messy, and looking at the code, it doesn't
>> look like we actually get that right, given we only SuspendThread
>> threads if we try to read their registers, and so if nothing reads
>> registers off all threads when e.g., handling a breakpoint that
>> we decide needs to be stepped over (which we don't), then we end
>> up resuming threads we shouldn't.
> 
> That's assuming that stepping resumes threads.  I'm not sure, but I
> really don't know enough about debugging APIs on Windows.

There's no special step request in the debug API.  The way to set
a thread stepping is to enable the trace flag in eflags:

      if (step)
	{
	  /* Single step by setting t bit.  */
	  struct regcache *regcache = get_current_regcache ();
	  struct gdbarch *gdbarch = get_regcache_arch (regcache);
	  windows_fetch_inferior_registers (ops, regcache,
					    gdbarch_ps_regnum (gdbarch));
	  th->context.EFlags |= FLAG_TRACE_BIT;
	}

>> It'll likely show us the thread is stopped at some ntdll.dll function
>> or some such, and from the function name we will likely
>> be able to infer what/which thread is this, like, e.g., whether
>> it's a thread injected with DebugBreakProcess or some such
>> (internally by one of the system dlls or the dlls your app
>> links with).
> 
> I'll see what I can find about that, but I doubt you'd see something
> telltale in the backtrace.  (The thread started by Windows for
> debugging is not part of this issue; I never saw the threads that are
> to have any debug-related functions on their callstacks.)

Thanks!

-- 
Pedro Alves


  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-19 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-17 19:43 Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-18 16:16 ` Joel Brobecker
2014-03-18 16:35   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-18 16:54     ` Joel Brobecker
2014-03-18 17:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-18 17:33         ` Pedro Alves
2014-03-19  3:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-19 10:07             ` Pedro Alves
2014-03-19 16:24               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-19 16:41                 ` Pedro Alves [this message]
2014-03-26 18:49       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-27 12:56         ` Joel Brobecker
2014-03-27 17:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 13:00             ` Joel Brobecker
2014-03-28 17:29               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 14:50         ` Pedro Alves
2014-03-28 17:35           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 17:49             ` Pedro Alves
2014-03-28 18:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-31 15:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-05  9:06                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-07 16:58                     ` Joel Brobecker
2014-04-07 17:09                   ` Pedro Alves
2014-04-07 18:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-07 21:39                       ` Joel Brobecker
2014-04-08  2:44                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-08  4:23                           ` Joel Brobecker
2014-04-08 15:17                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-08 11:32                       ` Pedro Alves
2014-04-08 16:43                         ` Pedro Alves
2014-04-08 17:10                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-08 17:36                             ` Pedro Alves
2014-04-08 17:54                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-11 20:06                                 ` Joel Brobecker
2014-04-19  8:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-21 15:43                                     ` Joel Brobecker
2014-04-21 15:59                                       ` Eli Zaretskii

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