From: Paul Hilfinger <hilfingr@gnat.com>
To: drow@false.org
Cc: gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFA] Introduce notion of "search name"
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 10:39:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040305103925.A4815F2EE4@nile.gnat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040305035955.GH5320@nevyn.them.org> (message from Daniel Jacobowitz on Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:59:55 -0500)
Daniel,
> It doesn't address on of the thornier problems I hit when doing the
> same thing, namely that of allocation. OK, someone uses
> SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME, we lazily allocate a demangled name - where? The
> objfile is not available. I think there may be no option but to
> pass the objfile to SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME. What did you do for Ada?
You're right, I did not address this in the patch proper. I had
prepared a patch in which I used that extra byte in struct symtab to
tag the union and allow an objfile member. However, I was aware from
correspondence with you that you were working in this area, and that
some of what you proposed to do might eventually allow us to re-do Ada
symbol lookup. So I decided not to modify the symtab struct for the
moment, and instead submit a patch that would change as little as
possible. I figured it would be better not to do anything just now
that might interfere with on-going work on the symbol table.
So as an interim measure, I use your suggestion of 21 Jan and first
try to find an objfile via the BFD section. When that doesn't work, I
simply use a global hashtable to hold the demangled strings. Yes,
that is a memory leak, but on consideration, I realized that it's only
REALLY a memory leak if (a) I routinely change the entire set of
demangled names numerous times during a single GDB session, or (b)
demangle entirely different, large sets of names each time I reload
the symbol tables. Yeah, I know, it's not pretty, but again I am hoping
it will ensure that demangled names behave until the next interation of
symtab modifications allow an entirely different strategy.
> You define SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_SEARCH_NAME. What's it really good for,
> and how does it do any good? You only use it for the minimal symbol
> hash tables; the fundamental problem with minimal symbols is that we
> don't know their language, so I don't know how you can reliably make a
> language-specific decision like this one.
The relevant code now reads
if (SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME (msym) != NULL)
add_minsym_to_demangled_hash_table (msym,
objfile->msymbol_demangled_hash);
Ada does demangle; SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME does have to return a
demangled name, if there is one. Therefore the test here will
precipitate computing and caching the demangled name prematurely (once
symbol_demangled_name is extended to include the Ada case). This code
also adds the demangled name to the hash table. But we never look for
demangled names, so that is a waste.
As to your question about how this can work: Ada doesn't really change
your question. I could just as well ask "How can
SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME work on minimal symbols, given that it doesn't
know what language to use for demangling?" The answer is that if it
quacks like a duck ... excuse me, I mean if ObjC demangling works,
assume you have an ObjC symbol, if C++ demangling works, then assume
it is a C++ symbol, etc., and hope that the demangling schemes don't
collide. That's what the code says now. You'll have to argue the
sensibility of this strategy with others.
> SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_SEARCH_NAME also codifies more than necessary of the
> difference between the other SYMBOL_*_NAME macros and
> SYMBOL_SEARCH_NAME. Something that I think may be useful is to use
> just the basename for the search name and then have language-specific
> code to cherry-pick the resulting matches afterwards; one big advantage
> of this is that it lets me sidestep the Java vs. C++ demangling issues.
> I suspect it is possible (for all supported languages) to unambiguously
> and efficiently identify the basename. I need to look at some of the
> other in-use manglings to follow up on that idea though, particularly
> g++ v2 and ObjC.
Yes, I know: you discussed that before and I eagerly await these changes.
For the nonce, I still think I've found a reasonably small hook that
accomplishes our purposes.
> Oh, and two spaces after a full stop in comments.
Oh, woe: of all your comments, this will be the most difficult to
accommodate. You see, ACT is full of these confounded Europeans who
insist on single spaces after periods and yell whenever I do things
properly instead. No doubt they will relent when they hear how this
practice will slow up these patches. :->).
Paul Hilfinger
Ada Core Technologies, Inc.
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From: Paul Hilfinger <hilfingr@gnat.com>
To: drow@false.org
Cc: gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFA] Introduce notion of "search name"
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 00:09:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040305103925.A4815F2EE4@nile.gnat.com> (raw)
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In-Reply-To: <20040305035955.GH5320@nevyn.them.org> (message from Daniel Jacobowitz on Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:59:55 -0500)
Daniel,
> It doesn't address on of the thornier problems I hit when doing the
> same thing, namely that of allocation. OK, someone uses
> SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME, we lazily allocate a demangled name - where? The
> objfile is not available. I think there may be no option but to
> pass the objfile to SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME. What did you do for Ada?
You're right, I did not address this in the patch proper. I had
prepared a patch in which I used that extra byte in struct symtab to
tag the union and allow an objfile member. However, I was aware from
correspondence with you that you were working in this area, and that
some of what you proposed to do might eventually allow us to re-do Ada
symbol lookup. So I decided not to modify the symtab struct for the
moment, and instead submit a patch that would change as little as
possible. I figured it would be better not to do anything just now
that might interfere with on-going work on the symbol table.
So as an interim measure, I use your suggestion of 21 Jan and first
try to find an objfile via the BFD section. When that doesn't work, I
simply use a global hashtable to hold the demangled strings. Yes,
that is a memory leak, but on consideration, I realized that it's only
REALLY a memory leak if (a) I routinely change the entire set of
demangled names numerous times during a single GDB session, or (b)
demangle entirely different, large sets of names each time I reload
the symbol tables. Yeah, I know, it's not pretty, but again I am hoping
it will ensure that demangled names behave until the next interation of
symtab modifications allow an entirely different strategy.
> You define SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_SEARCH_NAME. What's it really good for,
> and how does it do any good? You only use it for the minimal symbol
> hash tables; the fundamental problem with minimal symbols is that we
> don't know their language, so I don't know how you can reliably make a
> language-specific decision like this one.
The relevant code now reads
if (SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME (msym) != NULL)
add_minsym_to_demangled_hash_table (msym,
objfile->msymbol_demangled_hash);
Ada does demangle; SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME does have to return a
demangled name, if there is one. Therefore the test here will
precipitate computing and caching the demangled name prematurely (once
symbol_demangled_name is extended to include the Ada case). This code
also adds the demangled name to the hash table. But we never look for
demangled names, so that is a waste.
As to your question about how this can work: Ada doesn't really change
your question. I could just as well ask "How can
SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_NAME work on minimal symbols, given that it doesn't
know what language to use for demangling?" The answer is that if it
quacks like a duck ... excuse me, I mean if ObjC demangling works,
assume you have an ObjC symbol, if C++ demangling works, then assume
it is a C++ symbol, etc., and hope that the demangling schemes don't
collide. That's what the code says now. You'll have to argue the
sensibility of this strategy with others.
> SYMBOL_DEMANGLED_SEARCH_NAME also codifies more than necessary of the
> difference between the other SYMBOL_*_NAME macros and
> SYMBOL_SEARCH_NAME. Something that I think may be useful is to use
> just the basename for the search name and then have language-specific
> code to cherry-pick the resulting matches afterwards; one big advantage
> of this is that it lets me sidestep the Java vs. C++ demangling issues.
> I suspect it is possible (for all supported languages) to unambiguously
> and efficiently identify the basename. I need to look at some of the
> other in-use manglings to follow up on that idea though, particularly
> g++ v2 and ObjC.
Yes, I know: you discussed that before and I eagerly await these changes.
For the nonce, I still think I've found a reasonably small hook that
accomplishes our purposes.
> Oh, and two spaces after a full stop in comments.
Oh, woe: of all your comments, this will be the most difficult to
accommodate. You see, ACT is full of these confounded Europeans who
insist on single spaces after periods and yell whenever I do things
properly instead. No doubt they will relent when they hear how this
practice will slow up these patches. :->).
Paul Hilfinger
Ada Core Technologies, Inc.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-03-05 10:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-03-03 19:15 Paul Hilfinger
2004-03-19 0:09 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-03-05 3:59 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-03-05 10:39 ` Paul Hilfinger [this message]
2004-03-19 0:09 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-03-31 22:12 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-04-01 14:53 ` Jim Blandy
2004-04-01 15:00 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-04-01 15:21 ` Jim Blandy
2004-04-02 9:30 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-04-02 22:27 ` Jim Blandy
2004-04-03 12:04 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-04-06 14:37 ` Jim Blandy
2004-04-02 9:33 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-04-02 8:29 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-04-09 22:40 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-04-12 8:22 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-04-16 4:11 ` Jim Blandy
2004-04-29 10:37 ` Paul Hilfinger
[not found] ` <20040429211458.GB27523@nevyn.them.org>
[not found] ` <vt2n04umj8b.fsf@zenia.home>
[not found] ` <20040430084538.ECDE1F2E1C@nile.gnat.com>
[not found] ` <20040430134955.GA15786@nevyn.them.org>
2004-05-03 8:49 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-05-11 19:48 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-05-12 11:00 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-05-12 13:27 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-05-12 14:14 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-05-12 14:23 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-05-12 15:11 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-05-12 16:59 ` Joel Brobecker
2004-05-13 14:29 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-05-13 9:30 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-05-13 13:49 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-05-18 21:59 ` Jim Blandy
2004-05-19 9:55 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-05-19 13:00 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-05-19 15:21 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-05-20 10:18 ` Abstracting "name" Paul Hilfinger
2004-05-21 19:10 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-05-21 20:01 ` Jim Blandy
2004-03-19 0:09 ` [RFA] Introduce notion of "search name" David Carlton
2004-03-03 19:26 ` David Carlton
2004-03-19 0:09 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-03-04 8:45 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-03-19 0:09 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-03-30 9:37 Paul Hilfinger
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