how to get uptodate vxworks gdb source code

how to get uptodate vxworks gdb source code

[D.J. Barrow]

This is the reply I got from Windriver support 
you need License / Code Number to get their sources.
Hi Denis,
 
Thanks for the e-mail. Regarding your question about legal stance and GPL , please contact your
WindRiver sales person. The GDB source is available in WindRiver Online Support Page and you can
download it for free. Please check the below URL for GDB and GCC source.
 
https://portal.windriver.com/cgi-bin/windsurf/downloads/dispProdList.cgi?productid=102&order=versionid
 
Best Regards
 
Jatheen
 


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RE: how to get uptodate vxworks gdb source code

[Dave Korn]

On 02 March 2006 12:00, D.J. Barrow wrote:

> This is the reply I got from Windriver support
> you need License / Code Number to get their sources.


  Yes, of course.  The GPL obliges anyone who distributes binaries of a GPL'd
program to supply (or offer to supply) the sources of those binaries, but
they're only obliged to do so to those same people who they have shipped
binaries to.  So if you don't have a fully licensed VxWorks development setup,
they won't have sent you their toolchain, and won't be under any obligation to
give you binaries; i.e. they are only obliged to give sources to the customers
who have bought their binaries.  If you haven't been given a binary version of
the toolchain by them, they aren't obliged to you in any way.

  And like Steven said, if you want to discuss it in greater depth, approach
the FSF directly, or discuss it on the lists at 
http://gpl-violations.org/

    cheers,
      DaveK
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RE: how to get uptodate vxworks gdb source code

[D.J. Barrow]

Hi Dave,
From my understanding of GPL they have to make the sources freely
available to everyone, the licence is supposed to be infectious
Gnu wouldn't neuter this licence.
The latest gdb available on their website which they is
gdb-5.3 for tornado-2.2.

--- Dave Korn <dave.korn@artimi.com> wrote:

> On 02 March 2006 12:00, D.J. Barrow wrote:
> 
> > This is the reply I got from Windriver support
> > you need License / Code Number to get their sources.
> 
> 
>   Yes, of course.  The GPL obliges anyone who distributes binaries of a GPL'd
> program to supply (or offer to supply) the sources of those binaries, but
> they're only obliged to do so to those same people who they have shipped
> binaries to.  So if you don't have a fully licensed VxWorks development setup,
> they won't have sent you their toolchain, and won't be under any obligation to
> give you binaries; i.e. they are only obliged to give sources to the customers
> who have bought their binaries.  If you haven't been given a binary version of
> the toolchain by them, they aren't obliged to you in any way.
> 
>   And like Steven said, if you want to discuss it in greater depth, approach
> the FSF directly, or discuss it on the lists at 
> http://gpl-violations.org/
> 
>     cheers,
>       DaveK
> -- 
> Can't think of a witty .sigline today....
> 
> 


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Re: how to get uptodate vxworks gdb source code

[Daniel Jacobowitz]

On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 07:31:23AM -0800, D.J. Barrow wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> From my understanding of GPL they have to make the sources freely
> available to everyone, the licence is supposed to be infectious
> Gnu wouldn't neuter this licence.
> The latest gdb available on their website which they is
> gdb-5.3 for tornado-2.2.

Your understanding is incorrect.  However, please take this discussion
to an appropriate forum for discussing the GPL, e.g. gnu.misc.discuss,
or gpl-violations.org.


-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery

RE: how to get uptodate vxworks gdb source code

[Dave Korn]

On 02 March 2006 15:31, D.J. Barrow wrote:

> Hi Dave,
> From my understanding of GPL they have to make the sources freely
> available to everyone, the licence is supposed to be infectious

  Your understanding is seriously wrong, and the bit about 'infectious' is a
bit of dark propaganda made up by opponents of the GPL.  The GPL is as I
described it in my last post: *if* you distribute, in any fashion, a binary
version of a GPL'd program to someone, *then* you must also supply, or offer
to supply, to that same someone, the exact sources from which that binary was
built.  You have no obligations to anyone you do not distribute binaries to.

> Gnu wouldn't neuter this licence.

  They haven't done, you've misunderstood its intent.  You now need to take
two steps:

#1.  Take this discussion to one of the gpl discussion lists, as it no longer
has any relevance to GDB.
#2.  Go read the GPL FAQ at http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html, it
should clarify your understanding of the rights and obligations under the GPL.

    cheers,
      DaveK
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Re: how to get uptodate vxworks gdb source code

[Joel Brobecker]

> From my understanding of GPL they have to make the sources freely
> available to everyone, the licence is supposed to be infectious Gnu
> wouldn't neuter this licence.  The latest gdb available on their
> website which they is gdb-5.3 for tornado-2.2.

Without discussing your mistaken understanding of the GPL...

I am afraid that getting the sources from WindRiver will not help you
with RDB, because their debugger do *not* have support for the RDB
protocol as far as I know. They do what they recommend, they use WTX.

In your case, I would really stay away from RDB, and stay away from
WTX which is being phased out. Use DFW, and as I said, you do have
an example of a DFW target implementation in our GDB whose sources
are freely available (libre.adacore.com).  And we won't even require
you to be a customer of ours! ;-).

-- 
Joel