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From: Paul Koning <pkoning@equallogic.com>
To: mark.kettenis@xs4all.nl
Cc: drow@false.org,     eliz@gnu.org,     dewar@adacore.com,
	    nickrob@snap.net.nz,     jan.kratochvil@redhat.com,
	    Mathieu.Lacage@sophia.inria.fr,     gdb@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Signed/unsigned character arrays are not strings
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 00:47:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17892.45762.519048.501270@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200702272211.l1RMBVvI028239@brahms.sibelius.xs4all.nl>

>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Kettenis <mark.kettenis@xs4all.nl> writes:

 >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:53:16 -0500 From: Daniel Jacobowitz
 >> <drow@false.org>
 >> 
 >> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:06:17PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >
 >> Doesn't a similar situation exist with "unsigned int" and "int",
 >> or > with "unsigned long" and "long"?  And yet we don't treat them
 >> > differently.
 >> > 
 >> > IOW, I think it's quite expected that explicit signedness is >
 >> relatively rare, since in the vast majority of cases it is simply
 >> not > needed.  Interpreting this phenomenon as saying something
 >> about what > kind of data is stored is not necessarily a good
 >> idea.
 >> 
 >> I feel that this is different for two reasons.  One is that the
 >> situation for int and long is not the same, because "int" and
 >> "signed int" are the same type in C - but "char" and "signed char"
 >> are not.  Char is explicitly of indeterminate sign.  The other is
 >> that there is a widespread use of "char" for string data and
 >> "signed char" or "unsigned char" for non-string data.

 Mark> Well, "char" really is "signed char" on most machines and
 Mark> "unsigned char" on others.  One way to prevent the
 Mark> sign-extension problems this sometimes causes, is to explicitly
 Mark> use "unsigned char *" for strings.

Right.  For example, if you do string manipulation by table lookup on
the characters, then this is a good thing to do.  (It avoids the
painful 384 entry table hacks you otherwise need.)

 Mark> Anyway, I'm in favour of restore the traditional gdb behaviour
 Mark> of printing all three as strings.

Same here.

     paul


  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-27 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-24 16:13 Nick Roberts
2007-02-24 20:11 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-02-24 20:53   ` Nick Roberts
2007-02-24 21:07     ` Jan Kratochvil
2007-02-25  8:00       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-02-25 19:54         ` Nick Roberts
2007-02-25 21:07     ` mathieu lacage
2007-02-26  0:45       ` Jan Kratochvil
2007-02-27  7:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-02-27  9:29         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-02-27 12:02           ` Nick Roberts
2007-02-27 17:06             ` Robert Dewar
2007-02-27 18:42               ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-02-27 21:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-02-27 22:12                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-02-27 22:14                     ` Mark Kettenis
2007-02-28  0:47                       ` Paul Koning [this message]
2007-02-28  1:14                       ` Jim Blandy
2007-02-28  1:59                         ` Jim Blandy
2007-02-28  5:26                           ` Nick Roberts
2007-02-28 14:35                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-03-01  0:43                         ` Jim Blandy
2007-03-01  0:54                         ` Nick Roberts
2007-02-27 21:47               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-02-27 22:12             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-04-10 21:59         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2007-02-28 13:05 pkoning
2007-03-01 11:01 ` Mark Kettenis

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