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From: Simon Marchi <simark@simark.ca>
To: Andrew Burgess <aburgess@redhat.com>,
	Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Tom Tromey <tom@tromey.com>
Cc: gdb-patches@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/2] Remove "readnow" support
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2026 14:39:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <945d83fc-5518-4e04-8fe8-ebcca0acf0bd@simark.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h5rmay3z.fsf@redhat.com>

On 2/12/26 8:29 AM, Andrew Burgess wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>>> From: Tom Tromey <tom@tromey.com>
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2026 11:49:09 -0700
>>> Cc: Tom Tromey <tom@tromey.com>
>>>
>>> I think the "readnow" feature should be removed.
>>>
>>> "readnow" exists basically to work around potential bugs in any
>>> "partial" reader.  This used to work ok because gdb would scan all the
>>> expanded symtabs in addition to using the "quick" functions.  This
>>> changed with the "search via psyms" series.
>>>
>>> So now, "readnow" is basically its own separate implementation.  As
>>> such, I don't think it carries its weight.  It is very slow and uses a
>>> lot of memory, and can have its own bugs requiring extra work on our
>>> part.
>>
>> Is there any other way for the user to force GDB to read all of the
>> symbols from all of the object files?  If not, perhaps this
>> functionality still has its value?  Maybe we should make it a "maint"
>> command instead?
> 
> I second this.  We do run into bugs with the indexes from time to time,
> and it's good to have some way to tell GDB to go read the full debug
> information so we can narrow the bug down.  Plus it offers a work around
> in these cases.
> 
> Is 'maint expand-symtabs' the equivalent?  When someone uses -readnow
> should we maybe guide them towards the new way of doing things, even all
> we do is point towards a particular entry in the manual maybe?

From what I understand, "maint expand-symtabs" is not an exact
replacement for readnow.  With the recent changes that Tom Tromey did
(always search via the "quick" functions), this is how it works when
searching for a symbol:

 - the code invokes the quick_symbol_functions::search method
   (cooked_index_functions::search for the DWARF index).
 - if a compunit_symtab looks like it could contain said symbol, the
   quick functions' search method calls a callback, passing the
   compunit_symtab, and the core searches it
 - if you "maint expand-symtabs" first, the search still goes through
   cooked_index_functions::search.  So if there is a bug in
   cooked_index_functions::search, it won't bypass it.  In other words,
   which symtabs are currently expanded should not affect a search (this
   was the point of the change, that was a source of bugs)

With readnow, the cooked index is not built.  Instead, compunit_symtab
are built from the start, and readnow_functions is used instead of
cooked_index_functions.  readnow_functions::search goes over the
all_units vector and searches all of them (I wonder if it could use
expanded_symbols_functions instead...).  If there was a bug in
cooked_index_functions::search, then this would by pass it.

I don't know if it's really worth having a completely parallel code path
just in case there is a bug in the main path.  That parallel code path
is a source of headaches of its own.  That being said, if we could indeed
use expanded_symbols_functions, then keeping readnow wouldn't represent
much code I think.

Simon

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-12 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-11 18:49 [PATCH RFC 0/2] Remove -readnow Tom Tromey
2026-02-11 18:49 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] Remove "readnow" support Tom Tromey
2026-02-12  7:50   ` Eli Zaretskii
2026-02-12 13:29     ` Andrew Burgess
2026-02-12 16:44       ` Kevin Buettner
2026-02-12 19:39       ` Simon Marchi [this message]
2026-02-14 21:26         ` Tom Tromey
2026-02-11 18:49 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] Remove quick_symbol_functions::expand_all_symtabs Tom Tromey
2026-02-12 21:32 [PATCH RFC 1/2] Remove "readnow" support Jan Vrany

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