From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Simon Marchi <simon.marchi@polymtl.ca>
Cc: palves@redhat.com, brobecker@adacore.com,
markus.t.metzger@intel.com, gdb-patches@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] Introduce gdb::unique_ptr
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:54:00 -0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83twcibo91.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4aba16c0ae13533cd9e93f0f2823b042@simark.ca> (message from Simon Marchi on Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:23:46 -0400)
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:23:46 -0400
> From: Simon Marchi <simon.marchi@polymtl.ca>
> Cc: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>, brobecker@adacore.com,
> markus.t.metzger@intel.com, gdb-patches@sourceware.org
>
> C++03 has been around for long enough that we can safely migrate to that
> (whereas it has value or not is another debate, although I think Pedro
> showed clearly that it has), without leaving many users behind. C++11
> comes with some nice features in its standard library, such as
> std::unique_ptr. std::unique_ptr has some improvements over the old
> std::auto_ptr, which was too easy to misuse. However, I think we all
> agree that C++11 would be a too aggressive change, and will still be for
> some time.
Then why was there talk to use -std=gnu++11?
> What Pedro chose to do is to create gdb::unique_ptr, our home-made
> version of std::unique_ptr. When building with a C++03 compiler, the
> hand-written version of the code is chosen and it works (see the #if
> __cplusplus >= 201103). However, it's possible to misuse it, the same
> way as it was possible to misuse std::auto_ptr (because of missing
> features in C++03 vs C++11 IIUC). If you happen to build with a C++11
> compiler, instead of choosing the hand-written version, gdb::unique_ptr
> is more or less an alias for std::unique_ptr. So if there is a place in
> the code that is misusing it, the build will fail and either buildbot or
> another developer will let us know promptly.
>
> So it's not that the code is built in a way which requires C++11, it's
> built in a way that if you use C++11, you get the benefits of the newer
> checking mechanisms, while still being able to build with a C++03
> compiler. IMO it's the best of both worlds. Actually, it's the same
> idea as gnulib, where we fill the gaps of the lacking platforms, rather
> than choosing a low common denominator.
That's not "stick to C++03" in my book. Sticking to C++03 means not
writing any code that requires a later standard at all. Exactly like
we did when we required C90, but not C99: we had no code written for
C99 compilers, #ifdef'ed away for C90 compilers. Everything was C90.
> The warning analogy was perhaps not clearly expressed but I think it was
> good.
No, it wasn't: warnings don't affect code at all. This suggestion
clearly will.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-10-11 20:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-10-10 16:46 [PATCH 0/3] More cleanup elimination / gdb::unique_ptr Pedro Alves
2016-10-10 16:46 ` [PATCH 3/3] 'struct parse_expression *' -> gdb::unique_ptr<expression> Pedro Alves
2016-10-10 16:46 ` [PATCH 1/3] Introduce gdb::unique_ptr Pedro Alves
2016-10-10 17:49 ` Simon Marchi
2016-10-10 18:03 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-11 6:48 ` Metzger, Markus T
2016-10-11 10:23 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-11 10:53 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-10-11 11:17 ` Metzger, Markus T
2016-10-11 11:43 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-11 13:58 ` Yao Qi
2016-10-11 14:05 ` Trevor Saunders
2016-10-11 12:16 ` Joel Brobecker
2016-10-11 13:46 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-11 14:47 ` Joel Brobecker
2016-10-11 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-11 16:24 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-11 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-11 17:41 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-11 18:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-11 19:19 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-11 20:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-11 21:32 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-12 6:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 8:11 ` Metzger, Markus T
2016-10-12 9:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 10:12 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-12 11:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 11:25 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-12 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 12:12 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-12 10:28 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-12 11:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 11:19 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-12 11:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 11:55 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-13 0:38 ` [PATCH] Enable C++11 starting with gcc 4.8 (was: Re: [PATCH 1/3] Introduce gdb::unique_ptr) Pedro Alves
2016-10-13 0:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] gdb: Enable C++11 if available Pedro Alves
2016-10-13 0:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] gdb: Import AX_CXX_COMPILE_STDCXX from the GNU Autoconf Archive Pedro Alves
2016-10-12 9:37 ` [PATCH 1/3] Introduce gdb::unique_ptr Pedro Alves
2016-10-12 10:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 11:15 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-12 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-12 11:45 ` Jan Kratochvil
2016-10-12 11:56 ` Luis Machado
2016-10-12 12:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 9:07 ` Jan Kratochvil
2016-10-13 10:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 10:27 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-13 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 13:36 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-13 13:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 14:04 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-13 15:06 ` Joel Brobecker
2016-10-13 10:46 ` Jan Kratochvil
2016-10-13 11:15 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-13 13:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-13 13:42 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-13 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-11 19:23 ` Simon Marchi
2016-10-11 20:54 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-10-11 21:28 ` Simon Marchi
2016-10-12 6:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-10-11 21:16 ` Jan Kratochvil
2016-10-11 17:15 ` Luis Machado
2016-10-11 18:21 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-10 16:58 ` [PATCH 0/3] More cleanup elimination / gdb::unique_ptr Pedro Alves
2016-10-16 7:05 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-17 13:57 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-17 14:07 ` Tom Tromey
2016-10-17 14:59 ` Pedro Alves
2016-10-20 13:46 ` Pedro Alves
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