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From: "Marc Khouzam" <marc.khouzam@ericsson.com>
To: "Nick Roberts" <nickrob@snap.net.nz>
Cc: "Vladimir Prus" <vladimir@codesourcery.com>,
	        <gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com>
Subject: RE: -var-update @
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:32:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6D19CA8D71C89C43A057926FE0D4ADAA04290FD9@ecamlmw720.eamcs.ericsson.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18412.2657.401216.698985@kahikatea.snap.net.nz>


> > DSF only updates varObj that are visible on screen.  So currently, it always
> > uses -var-update with a single varObj name (never use *).
> 
> Which must mean that there is a round trip to the target for each variable
> object that needs to be updated.
> 
> This is sounds similar to the previous discussion about using
> "-var-list-children --all-values".  There Daniel stated that "for a lot of
> embedded targets [...] reading memory becomes the dominant time delay".
> 
> Can someone give some typical numbers for "round trip time" vs "reading memory"
> time.  In my naive understanding of embedded targets, I would have thought the
> "round trip time" might be large due to a slow serial link, while "reading
> memory" wouldn't change much as all RAM is pretty much the same.  Or is the
> latter slow because of the time taken to transfer any unneeded extra data back
> to the host?

I'm not familiar with such numbers myself, although I would be interested in
finding out.

However, I wanted to point out that there are currently two possible options
for var-update

-var-update <singleVarObj>
-var-update *
(we'll ignore the new -var-update @, which does not affect the discussion)

For DSF, which tries to minimize the amount of work done, we can:

1- use multiple var-update <singleVarObj>, which typically results in 
about 5 or 6 var-updates being sent (only 5 or 6 variables are visible on-screen).
Then GDB on the target reads the memory for those 5 or 6 varObjs.

2- use var-update *, which results in a single -var-update, but which
makes GDB on the target read the memory of all varObjects, which can be
anywhere from, say, 5 to 5000, or even more.

As you can see, option 2 does not scale, irrespective of which is 
the true bottleneck, the round-trip time, or the target memory access.
That is why DSF does not use var-update *.

But you are right that less round-trips would be even better.
So, to improve option 1, Vladimir's suggestion of a batch -var-update
  -var-update <var1> <var2> ...
would be better (although DSF is not currently setup for it.)

BTW, is there a limit (enforced or recommended) on the number of varObj that
can be created?

BR,
Marc


  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-28 14:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-26 14:54 Vladimir Prus
2008-03-27  5:17 ` Nick Roberts
2008-03-27  7:00   ` Vladimir Prus
2008-03-27  9:54     ` Nick Roberts
2008-03-27 10:38       ` Vladimir Prus
2008-03-27 13:25         ` Marc Khouzam
2008-03-27 13:37           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-03-27 20:58           ` Nick Roberts
2008-03-28 14:32             ` Marc Khouzam [this message]
2008-03-28 16:22               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-03-28 16:33                 ` Marc Khouzam
2008-04-01 13:37             ` André Pönitz
2008-04-01 13:56               ` Marc Khouzam
2008-04-01 14:30                 ` André Pönitz
2008-04-03 19:10                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-04-03 19:31             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-04-03 20:05               ` Michael Snyder
2008-03-29  5:16         ` Nick Roberts
2008-03-29  6:38           ` Vladimir Prus
2008-03-30  3:54             ` Nick Roberts
2008-04-03 18:55               ` Vladimir Prus
2008-04-03 21:30                 ` Nick Roberts
2008-04-04 11:45                   ` Vladimir Prus
2008-04-11 22:01                     ` Vladimir Prus
2008-04-11 23:22                       ` Nick Roberts

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