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From: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
To: Yao Qi <yao@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, gdb-patches@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/9] agent doc
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:41:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F454F22.3000007@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F4444C0.3050402@codesourcery.com>

On 02/22/2012 01:28 AM, Yao Qi wrote:
> On 02/22/2012 01:26 AM, Pedro Alves wrote:
>> > From agentexpr.texi:
>> > 
>> >  When GDB is debugging a remote target, the GDB @dfn{agent} code running
>> >  on the target computes the values of the expressions itself.  To avoid
>> >  having a full symbolic expression evaluator on the agent, GDB translates
>> >  expressions in the source language into a simpler bytecode language, and
>> >  then sends the bytecode to the agent; the agent then executes the
>> >  bytecode, and records the values for GDB to retrieve later.
>> >                                                  (...) The interpreter is
>> >  small, and strict limits on the memory and time required to evaluate an
>> >  expression are easy to determine, making it suitable for use by the
>> >  debugging agent in real-time applications.
>> > 
>> > So nothing mentioned here about in-process or not.  This applies all the
>> > same to the agent expression mechinary in GDBserver (tracepoints, etc.).
>> > That's an agent as well.  "agent" is a very loose term for roughly something
>> > that runs on the remote target on GDB's behalf.  Can we just drop that
>> > explanation?  If we name things clearly then that's unnecessary.
>> > 
> I am inclined to leave this explanation there, as it is still useful to
> generic term "agent".

Hmm, it still seems incorrect in the exact same way.

> -When GDB is debugging a remote target, the GDB @dfn{agent} code running
> +Although called @dfn{agent expression}, because they originally
> +referred to the in-process agent (@pxref{In-Process Agent}), these

Still false.  Looks unchanged compared to the previous version?

> +When @value{GDBN} is debugging, the @value{GDBN} agent code running
>  on the target computes the values of the expressions itself.  To avoid
> -having a full symbolic expression evaluator on the agent, GDB translates
> -expressions in the source language into a simpler bytecode language, and
> -then sends the bytecode to the agent; the agent then executes the
> -bytecode, and records the values for GDB to retrieve later.
> +having a full symbolic expression evaluator on the agent or remote stub,

This is still confused on agent vs in-process agent.  The remote stub is
an agent as well; it does things for gdb (e.g., GDBserver supports tracepoints).
Note the several references to "agent" on this whole paragraph.  I suggest
really just leave this paragraph as it was.

> +@value{GDBN} translates expressions in the source language into a simpler
> +bytecode language, and then sends the bytecode to the agent; the agent
> +then executes the bytecode, and records the values for @value{GDBN} to
> +retrieve later.

We lost the intro about tracepoints, so this mention of recording values
for gdb to retrieve later is now awkward.

-- 
Pedro Alves


  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-22 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-17  2:56 [patch v2] GDB/GDBserver talks with agents Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:56 ` [PATCH 3/9] command set agent on and off Yao Qi
2012-02-23 21:51   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 13:13     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 14:15       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-17  2:56 ` [PATCH 1/9] move agent related code from gdbserver to common/agent.c Yao Qi
2012-02-17  9:55   ` Mark Kettenis
2012-02-23 21:05   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-23 21:17     ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24  7:57     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 13:40       ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 2/9] add target_ops fields use_agent and can_use_agent Yao Qi
2012-02-17 11:40   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-23 21:21   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 13:01     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 13:05       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 5/9] agent capability Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 4/9] agent doc Yao Qi
2012-02-17 11:38   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-17 13:34     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17 16:10       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-18 17:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-20  3:56         ` Yao Qi
2012-02-20  6:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-21 18:18           ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-22  1:56             ` Yao Qi
2012-02-22 20:41               ` Pedro Alves [this message]
2012-02-22 23:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-27 13:23                 ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 7/9] move in_process_agent_loaded to agent_loaded_p Yao Qi
2012-02-23 22:11   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-23 22:27     ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 8/9] impl of use_agent and can_use_agent in linux-nat Yao Qi
2012-02-23 22:15   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24  8:34     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 10:47       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 13:31     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 14:10       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 14:34         ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 6/9] agent capability of static tracepoint Yao Qi
2012-02-23 22:06   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 13:19     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 14:25       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-17  3:02 ` [PATCH 9/9] info static tracepoint in linux-nat Yao Qi
2012-02-24 13:37   ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17  4:02 ` [patch v2] GDB/GDBserver talks with agents Yao Qi
2012-02-17 12:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-27  9:43   ` Yao Qi
2012-02-27 18:04     ` Eli Zaretskii

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