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From: Yao Qi <yao@codesourcery.com>
To: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, <gdb-patches@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/9] agent doc
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 01:56:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F4444C0.3050402@codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F43D3E3.8070307@redhat.com>

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On 02/22/2012 01:26 AM, Pedro Alves wrote:
> On 02/20/2012 02:40 AM, Yao Qi wrote:
> 
>> -When GDB is debugging a remote target, the GDB @dfn{agent} code running
>> +Although called @dfn{agent expression}, because they originally
>> +referred to the in-process agent (@pxref{In-Process Agent}), these
> 
> That's incorrect.  Agent expressions existed long before the in-process
> agent was invented.  See the confusion about calling the new IPA thing
> just "agent"?
> 

I didn't realize "agent" was introduced back in 1999, long before IPA
was created.

> From agentexpr.texi:
> 
>  When GDB is debugging a remote target, the GDB @dfn{agent} code running
>  on the target computes the values of the expressions itself.  To avoid
>  having a full symbolic expression evaluator on the agent, GDB translates
>  expressions in the source language into a simpler bytecode language, and
>  then sends the bytecode to the agent; the agent then executes the
>  bytecode, and records the values for GDB to retrieve later.
>                                                  (...) The interpreter is
>  small, and strict limits on the memory and time required to evaluate an
>  expression are easy to determine, making it suitable for use by the
>  debugging agent in real-time applications.
> 
> So nothing mentioned here about in-process or not.  This applies all the
> same to the agent expression mechinary in GDBserver (tracepoints, etc.).
> That's an agent as well.  "agent" is a very loose term for roughly something
> that runs on the remote target on GDB's behalf.  Can we just drop that
> explanation?  If we name things clearly then that's unnecessary.
> 

I am inclined to leave this explanation there, as it is still useful to
generic term "agent".

> So I'd suggest also:
> 
> On 02/20/2012 02:40 AM, Yao Qi wrote:
>> +reduce the number of operations performed by debugger.  @dfn{Agent},
> 
> the in-process agent
> 

s/agent/in-process agent/ in my patch.

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Yao (齐尧)

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gdb/doc/
2012-02-22  Yao Qi  <yao@codesourcery.com>

	* agentexpr.texi (Agent Expressions): Update some parts for agent expression
	can not only be used in in-process agent, but also in remote stubs.
	Move some contents to ...
	* gdb.texinfo (In-Process Agent): ... to here.  New node.
	Document new commands.
---
 gdb/doc/agentexpr.texi |   37 ++++++++++-------------------
 gdb/doc/gdb.texinfo    |   58 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 2 files changed, 71 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-)

diff --git a/gdb/doc/agentexpr.texi b/gdb/doc/agentexpr.texi
index d0f6f15..65e4423 100644
--- a/gdb/doc/agentexpr.texi
+++ b/gdb/doc/agentexpr.texi
@@ -13,32 +13,21 @@
 
 @node Agent Expressions
 @appendix The GDB Agent Expression Mechanism
-
-In some applications, it is not feasible for the debugger to interrupt
-the program's execution long enough for the developer to learn anything
-helpful about its behavior.  If the program's correctness depends on its
-real-time behavior, delays introduced by a debugger might cause the
-program to fail, even when the code itself is correct.  It is useful to
-be able to observe the program's behavior without interrupting it.
-
-Using GDB's @code{trace} and @code{collect} commands, the user can
-specify locations in the program, and arbitrary expressions to evaluate
-when those locations are reached.  Later, using the @code{tfind}
-command, she can examine the values those expressions had when the
-program hit the trace points.  The expressions may also denote objects
-in memory --- structures or arrays, for example --- whose values GDB
-should record; while visiting a particular tracepoint, the user may
-inspect those objects as if they were in memory at that moment.
-However, because GDB records these values without interacting with the
-user, it can do so quickly and unobtrusively, hopefully not disturbing
-the program's behavior.
-
-When GDB is debugging a remote target, the GDB @dfn{agent} code running
+Although called @dfn{agent expression}, because they originally
+referred to the in-process agent (@pxref{In-Process Agent}), these
+expressions can be used in conjunction with many unrelated @value{GDBN}
+features, such as expressions used in tracepoints for data collection,
+expressions used in breakpoint condition evaluation, etc.  Note that the
+expressions may also denote registers and objects in memory---structures
+or arrays, for example---whose values @value{GDBN} should record.
+
+When @value{GDBN} is debugging, the @value{GDBN} agent code running
 on the target computes the values of the expressions itself.  To avoid
-having a full symbolic expression evaluator on the agent, GDB translates
-expressions in the source language into a simpler bytecode language, and
-then sends the bytecode to the agent; the agent then executes the
-bytecode, and records the values for GDB to retrieve later.
+having a full symbolic expression evaluator on the agent or remote stub,
+@value{GDBN} translates expressions in the source language into a simpler
+bytecode language, and then sends the bytecode to the agent; the agent
+then executes the bytecode, and records the values for @value{GDBN} to
+retrieve later.
 
 The bytecode language is simple; there are forty-odd opcodes, the bulk
 of which are the usual vocabulary of C operands (addition, subtraction,
diff --git a/gdb/doc/gdb.texinfo b/gdb/doc/gdb.texinfo
index 34bf77e..0eb3811 100644
--- a/gdb/doc/gdb.texinfo
+++ b/gdb/doc/gdb.texinfo
@@ -154,6 +154,7 @@ software in general.  We will miss him.
 * GDB/MI::                      @value{GDBN}'s Machine Interface.
 * Annotations::                 @value{GDBN}'s annotation interface.
 * JIT Interface::               Using the JIT debugging interface.
+* In-Process Agent::            In-Process Agent
 
 * GDB Bugs::                    Reporting bugs in @value{GDBN}
 
@@ -32191,6 +32192,63 @@ frame and to write out the values of the registers in the previous
 frame.  Both have a callback (@code{target_read}) to read bytes off the
 target's address space.
 
+@node In-Process Agent
+@chapter In-Process Agent
+@cindex debugging agent
+The traditional debugging model is conceptually low-speed, but works fine,
+because most bugs can be reproduced in debugging-mode execution.  However,
+as multi-core or many-core processors are becoming mainstream, and
+multi-threaded programs become more and more popular, there should be more
+and more bugs that only manifest themselves at normal-mode execution, for
+example, thread races, because debugger's interference with the program's
+timing may conceal the bugs.  On the other hand, in some applications,
+it is not feasible for the debugger to interrupt the program's execution
+long enough for the developer to learn anything helpful about its behavior.
+If the program's correctness depends on its real-time behavior, delays
+introduced by a debugger might cause the program to fail, even when the
+code itself is correct.  It is useful to be able to observe the program's
+behavior without interrupting it.
+
+Therefore, traditional debugging model is too intrusive to reproduce
+some bugs.  In order to reduce the interference with the program, we can
+reduce the number of operations performed by debugger.  The
+@dfn{In-Process Agent}, a shared library, is running within the same
+process with inferior, and is able to perform some debugging operations
+itself.  As a result, debugger is only involved when necessary, and
+performance of debugging can be improved accordingly.  Note that
+interference with program can be reduced but can't be removed completely,
+because the in-process agent will still stop or slow down the program.
+
+The in-process agent can interpret and execute Agent Expressions
+(@pxref{Agent Expressions}) during performing debugging operations.  The
+agent expressions can be used for different purposes, such as collecting
+data in tracepoints, and condition evaluation in breakpoints.
+
+@anchor{Control Agent}
+You can control whether the in-process agent is used as an aid for
+debugging with the following commands:
+
+@table @code
+@kindex set agent on
+@item set agent on
+Causes the in-process agent to perform some operations on behalf of the
+debugger.  Just which operations requested by the user will be done
+by the in-process agent depends on the its capabilities.  For example,
+if you request to evaluate breakpoint conditions in the in-process agent,
+and the in-process agent has such capability as well, then breakpoint
+conditions will be evaluated in the in-process agent.
+
+@kindex set agent off
+@item set agent off
+Disables execution of debugging operations by the in-process agent.  All
+of the operations will be performed by @value{GDBN}.
+
+@kindex show agent
+@item show agent
+Display the current setting of execution of debugging operations by
+the in-process agent.
+@end table
+
 @node GDB Bugs
 @chapter Reporting Bugs in @value{GDBN}
 @cindex bugs in @value{GDBN}
-- 
1.7.0.4


  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-22  1:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-17  2:56 [patch v2] GDB/GDBserver talks with agents Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:56 ` [PATCH 3/9] command set agent on and off Yao Qi
2012-02-23 21:51   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 13:13     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 14:15       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-17  2:56 ` [PATCH 1/9] move agent related code from gdbserver to common/agent.c Yao Qi
2012-02-17  9:55   ` Mark Kettenis
2012-02-23 21:05   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-23 21:17     ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24  7:57     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 13:40       ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 6/9] agent capability of static tracepoint Yao Qi
2012-02-23 22:06   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 13:19     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 14:25       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 8/9] impl of use_agent and can_use_agent in linux-nat Yao Qi
2012-02-23 22:15   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24  8:34     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 10:47       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 13:31     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 14:10       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 14:34         ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 5/9] agent capability Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 4/9] agent doc Yao Qi
2012-02-17 11:38   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-17 13:34     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17 16:10       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-18 17:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-20  3:56         ` Yao Qi
2012-02-20  6:22           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-21 18:18           ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-22  1:56             ` Yao Qi [this message]
2012-02-22 20:41               ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-22 23:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-27 13:23                 ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 7/9] move in_process_agent_loaded to agent_loaded_p Yao Qi
2012-02-23 22:11   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-23 22:27     ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-17  2:57 ` [PATCH 2/9] add target_ops fields use_agent and can_use_agent Yao Qi
2012-02-17 11:40   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-23 21:21   ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-24 13:01     ` Yao Qi
2012-02-24 13:05       ` Pedro Alves
2012-02-17  3:02 ` [PATCH 9/9] info static tracepoint in linux-nat Yao Qi
2012-02-24 13:37   ` Yao Qi
2012-02-17  4:02 ` [patch v2] GDB/GDBserver talks with agents Yao Qi
2012-02-17 12:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-27  9:43   ` Yao Qi
2012-02-27 18:04     ` Eli Zaretskii

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