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From: Pedro Alves <palves@redhat.com>
To: Kamil Rytarowski <n54@gmx.com>, John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>,
	gdb-patches@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 31/40] target_ops/C++: Base FreeBSD target
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 18:13:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44d9588c-e23e-5ef5-ef62-fdd594dd4c7f@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a7e48701-147d-7463-2a6c-03971e520895@gmx.com>

Hi Kamil!

Will you be able to smoke test the branch on your favorite
port?  That'd be super.  :-)

On 04/17/2018 06:30 PM, Kamil Rytarowski wrote:

> Common BSD target should be changed in future to common BSD/Linux target
> like in LLDB. There is a shared Remote Process Plugin used by Linux and
> NetBSD.

I think that is confusing or oversimplifying things.  Also, it's
a bit orthogonal to the present effort.  :-)  The "shared" Remote
Process Plugin is just the equivalent of "target remote" in gdb.

See:

 https://sourceware.org/gdb/wiki/Common
 https://sourceware.org/gdb/wiki/LocalRemoteFeatureParity

What we're missing is that gdbserver was never ported over to the
BSDs.  At least, upstream.  Just like in lldb not all ports
have been converted to use the remote process plugin.

Clearly there needs to be a shared interface the different target
backends such as BSD and Linux implement to interact with the
core of the debugger or the server.  In gdb and gdbserver that is
their corresponding target_ops definitions (they're similar, but
not the same).  So even when "going always remote", the target
backend implementations can well share code.

If you're considering porting gdbserver to some platform that
gdb already supports debugging natively, I strongly suggest
making gdbserver reuse the native target code in gdb instead of
duplicating the code.  A few years back someone was working
on doing that for a Hurd gdbserver port, but unfortunately
the work was never completed.  I was positively surprised how
little change the gdb code was requiring for gdbserver
adaptation though.

If done right (by making gdb and gdbserver use the same native
backend target_ops-like interface), there's nothing preventing using
the same backend code in-process in both gdb and gdbserver if we'd like,
instead of always forcing use of gdbserver behind the scenes.  There
are advantages to supporting native-without-forcing-gdbserver
debugging too.  It's all open in the air at this point.

> Enforcing a layer of common BSD code is counterproductive nowadays.

Note that nothing is being "enforced" and that there's no actual
"common BSD layer" in the sense that everything sits on top of some
common BSD layer.  There are simply a few pieces of shared functionality.
If some BSD port doesn't want to use the shared bits, it's very easy
not to use them.

Thanks,
Pedro Alves


  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-17 18:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-14 19:09 [PATCH 00/40] C++ify target_ops, toward multi-target Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 38/40] target_ops: Use bool throughout Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 29/40] target_ops/C++: Tile-Gx GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 32/40] target_ops/C++: Generic i386/AMD64 BSD targets Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 34/40] target_ops/C++: bsd_kvm_add_target, BSD libkvm target Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 20/40] target_ops/C++: ARM GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 40/40] target factories, target open and multiple instances of targets Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 03/40] target_ops/C++: exec target Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 08/40] target_ops/C++: bsd-uthread Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 39/40] linux_nat_target: More low methods Pedro Alves
2018-04-18  0:40   ` John Baldwin
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 37/40] target_ops/C++: The Hurd Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 27/40] target_ops/C++: SPARC GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 07/40] target_ops/C++: ravenscar-thread Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 17/40] target_ops/C++: macOS/Darwin target Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 23/40] target_ops/C++: IA-64 GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 19/40] target_ops/C++: AIX target Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 09/40] target_ops/C++: bfd-target Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:10 ` [PATCH 02/40] make-target-delegates: line break between return type and function name Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:15 ` [PATCH 12/40] target_ops/C++: target remote-sim Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:15 ` [PATCH 22/40] target_ops/C++: HP-PA GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:15 ` [PATCH 14/40] target_ops/C++: PPC/PPC64 GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:18 ` [PATCH 36/40] target_ops/C++: go32/DJGPP Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:18 ` [PATCH 25/40] target_ops/C++: m68k GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:18 ` [PATCH 24/40] target_ops/C++: m32r GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:18 ` [PATCH 04/40] target_ops/C++: core target Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:19 ` [PATCH 15/40] target_ops/C++: Solaris/procfs Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:19 ` [PATCH 26/40] target_ops/C++: s390 GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:19 ` [PATCH 30/40] target_ops/C++: Xtensa GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:19 ` [PATCH 05/40] target_ops/C++: ctf/tfile targets Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:19 ` [PATCH 31/40] target_ops/C++: Base FreeBSD target Pedro Alves
2018-04-17 16:12   ` John Baldwin
2018-04-17 17:07     ` Pedro Alves
2018-04-17 17:28       ` Kamil Rytarowski
2018-04-17 18:13         ` Pedro Alves [this message]
2018-04-17 18:50           ` Kamil Rytarowski
2018-04-18  0:40       ` John Baldwin
2018-04-18  1:51         ` Kamil Rytarowski
2018-04-18 11:23           ` Pedro Alves
     [not found]         ` <0b900391-f06d-278c-cbed-b89b207bd12e@redhat.com>
2018-04-18 14:20           ` Pedro Alves
2018-04-18 20:55             ` John Baldwin
2018-04-14 19:19 ` [PATCH 35/40] target_ops/C++: NTO/QNX, nto-procfs.c Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:19 ` [PATCH 16/40] target_ops/C++: Windows targets Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:20 ` [PATCH 11/40] target_ops/C++: remote/extended-remote targets Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:20 ` [PATCH 10/40] target_ops/C++: record targets Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:20 ` [PATCH 33/40] target_ops/C++: The rest of the BSD targets Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:20 ` [PATCH 06/40] target_ops/C++: spu-multiarch Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 21/40] target_ops/C++: Aarch64 GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:28 ` [PATCH 28/40] target_ops/C++: SPU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-05-04 17:09   ` Ulrich Weigand
2018-05-04 17:15     ` Pedro Alves
2018-05-04 17:22       ` Ulrich Weigand
2018-05-04 17:27         ` Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:29 ` [PATCH 13/40] target_ops/C++: GNU/Linux + x86/AMD64 Pedro Alves
2018-04-14 19:30 ` [PATCH 18/40] target_ops/C++: linux_trad_target, MIPS and Alpha GNU/Linux Pedro Alves
2018-04-16 15:15 ` [RESEND][PATCH 01/40] Convert struct target_ops to C++ Pedro Alves
2018-05-03  0:06   ` Pedro Alves
2018-10-27 21:58     ` 8.2 regression for invalid -data-directory [Re: [RESEND][PATCH 01/40] Convert struct target_ops to C++] Jan Kratochvil
2018-10-30 20:24       ` Tom Tromey
2019-02-14 15:30     ` [RESEND][PATCH 01/40] Convert struct target_ops to C++ Thomas Schwinge
2018-04-27 15:47 ` [PATCH 00/40] C++ify target_ops, toward multi-target Tom Tromey
2018-05-02 22:55   ` Pedro Alves
2018-04-29 15:22 ` Simon Marchi
2018-05-02 22:51   ` Pedro Alves

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