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From: Michael Snyder <msnyder@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@mvista.com>
Cc: Andrew Cagney <ac131313@ges.redhat.com>, gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] breakpoints and function prologues...
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:33:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3D656658.9D01C76D@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020815135338.GA22990@nevyn.them.org>

Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 01:57:13AM -0400, Andrew Cagney wrote:
> > >I agree with Jim here.  I think most folks are actually surprised to find
> > >that if they break on the "{" beginning a function (or indeed anywhere
> > >before the first executable line of code) then their backtrace will not be
> > >correct.  Understanding why this is so requires you to "pay attention to
> > >the man behind the curtain", and that we breaks the illusion that source
> > >code maps straight-forwardly onto the running program.  Where this extra
> > >knowledge is helpful (like when debugging optimized code) it is fine to
> > >require folks to have it.  But here, where it really doesn't do any good,
> > >I think it is just confusing.  And, of course, it causes big heartburn for
> > >GUIs the varobj code, as I said earlier.
> > >
> > >I doubt that "{" breaks on the prologue is a crucial feature of gdb, and
> > >given that there are other ways to do this, I don't think it is really
> > >worth supporting...
> >
> > Michael is right here.  If a CLI user sets a breakpoint on a line (with
> > code) then that user clearly wants the breakpoint set on that line.
> 
> Sure, if the user knows there's code there.  I don't think most of our
> users would understand that there is code on the "{", or what it is
> for -

I suspect that this is a result of a changing user base.
There are more and more users who don't know a lot about
how things work "under the hood".

> and I don't think that breaking by line number should break on
> code inserted by the compiler rather than the user.

The question is, is there a strong reason to change a behavior
that has been consistent for a very long time (even if undocumented).
Even if the ability to debug the prologue is un-important for most
users, it is important to some, and those users (GCC developers,
for instance) may be quite accustomed to the current behavior.
I am, for instance...


> So I have to agree with Jim (both Jims, I think?).
> 
> > If an architecture can't unwind the frame for that breakpoint address
> > then that is a bug in the architecture and/or GDB.  The main reason the
> > average prologue analyzer doesn't handle breakpoints in the prologue is,
> > I think, more a factor of not being tested then of being ``hard''.
> 
> Most of our ports don't support it, however.

Most of mine do.


  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-22 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1028439120.16228.ezmlm@sources.redhat.com>
2002-08-06 13:37 ` Jim Ingham
2002-08-14 22:57   ` Andrew Cagney
2002-08-15  6:53     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-08-22 15:33       ` Michael Snyder [this message]
2002-08-22 16:19         ` Joel Brobecker
2002-08-23 11:27         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found] <1030059293.13128.ezmlm@sources.redhat.com>
2002-08-23 10:50 ` Jim Ingham
2002-08-23 11:34   ` Andrew Cagney
2002-08-24 18:31     ` Jim Ingham
2002-08-25  7:45       ` Andrew Cagney
2002-08-25  8:21         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-08-25 15:24         ` Jim Ingham
2002-08-23 11:45   ` Michael Snyder
2002-08-23 11:48     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
     [not found] <1029446396.15888.ezmlm@sources.redhat.com>
2002-08-15 15:26 ` Jim Ingham
2002-08-15 18:05   ` Andrew Cagney
2002-08-15 19:11     ` Joel Brobecker
2002-08-16 10:02       ` Jim Blandy
2002-08-16 10:17         ` Joel Brobecker
2002-08-15 19:18     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-08-16  9:34     ` Jim Blandy
2002-08-16 11:34     ` Jim Ingham
2002-08-22 15:38     ` Michael Snyder
2002-08-22 15:56       ` Andrew Cagney
2002-08-22 16:34         ` Michael Snyder
     [not found] <1027384602.26926.ezmlm@sources.redhat.com>
2002-07-22 18:54 ` Jim Ingham
2002-07-22 22:49   ` Joel Brobecker
2002-07-22 17:36 Joel Brobecker
2002-07-23 16:53 ` Jim Blandy
2002-07-26  6:12   ` Joel Brobecker
2002-07-29 13:34     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-07-29 23:57     ` Jim Blandy
2002-07-30 20:18       ` Joel Brobecker
2002-07-31 13:55         ` Jim Blandy
2002-08-01 15:44           ` Michael Snyder
2002-08-02 23:48             ` Jim Blandy

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