* [lttng-dev] RCU API usage from call_rcu callbacks? @ 2023-03-22 11:08 Ondřej Surý via lttng-dev 2023-03-22 13:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers via lttng-dev 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Ondřej Surý via lttng-dev @ 2023-03-22 11:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: lttng-dev Hi, the documentation is pretty silent on this, and asking here is probably going to be faster than me trying to use the source to figure this out. Is it legal to call_rcu() from within the call_rcu() callback? What about the other RCU (and CDS) API calls? How does that interact with create_call_rcu_data()? I have <n> event loops and I am initializing <n> 1:1 call_rcu helper threads as I need to do some per-thread initialization as some of the destroy-like functions use random numbers (don't ask). If it's legal to call_rcu() from call_rcu thread, which thread is going to be used? Thank you, Ondrej -- Ondřej Surý (He/Him) ondrej@sury.org _______________________________________________ lttng-dev mailing list lttng-dev@lists.lttng.org https://lists.lttng.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lttng-dev ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: [lttng-dev] RCU API usage from call_rcu callbacks? 2023-03-22 11:08 [lttng-dev] RCU API usage from call_rcu callbacks? Ondřej Surý via lttng-dev @ 2023-03-22 13:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers via lttng-dev 2023-03-22 14:45 ` Paul E. McKenney via lttng-dev 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Mathieu Desnoyers via lttng-dev @ 2023-03-22 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ondřej Surý, lttng-dev, paulmck On 2023-03-22 07:08, Ondřej Surý via lttng-dev wrote: > Hi, > > the documentation is pretty silent on this, and asking here is probably going to be faster > than me trying to use the source to figure this out. > > Is it legal to call_rcu() from within the call_rcu() callback? Yes. call_rcu callbacks can be chained. Note that you'll need to issue rcu_barrier() on program exit as many times as you chained call_rcu callbacks if you intend to make sure no queued callbacks still exist on program clean shutdown. See this comment above urcu_call_rcu_exit(): * Teardown the default call_rcu worker thread if there are no queued * callbacks on process exit. This prevents leaking memory. * * Here is how an application can ensure graceful teardown of this * worker thread: * * - An application queuing call_rcu callbacks should invoke * rcu_barrier() before it exits. * - When chaining call_rcu callbacks, the number of calls to * rcu_barrier() on application exit must match at least the maximum * number of chained callbacks. * - If an application chains callbacks endlessly, it would have to be * modified to stop chaining callbacks when it detects an application * exit (e.g. with a flag), and wait for quiescence with rcu_barrier() * after setting that flag. * - The statements above apply to a library which queues call_rcu * callbacks, only it needs to invoke rcu_barrier in its library * destructor. > > What about the other RCU (and CDS) API calls? They can be unless stated otherwise. For instance, rcu_barrier() cannot be called from a call_rcu worker thread. > > How does that interact with create_call_rcu_data()? I have <n> event loops and I am > initializing <n> 1:1 call_rcu helper threads as I need to do some per-thread initialization > as some of the destroy-like functions use random numbers (don't ask). As I recall, set_thread_call_rcu_data() will associate a call_rcu worker instance for the current thread. So all following call_rcu() invocations from that thread will be queued into this per-thread call_rcu queue, and handled by the call_rcu worker thread. But I wonder why you inherently need this 1:1 mapping, rather than using the content of the structure containing the rcu_head to figure out which per-thread data should be used ? If you manage to separate the context from the worker thread instances, then you could use per-cpu call_rcu worker threads, which will eventually scale even better when I integrate the liburcu call_rcu API with sys_rseq concurrency ids [1]. > > If it's legal to call_rcu() from call_rcu thread, which thread is going to be used? The call_rcu invoked from the call_rcu worker thread will queue the call_rcu callback onto the queue handled by that worker thread. It does so by setting URCU_TLS(thread_call_rcu_data) = crdp; early in call_rcu_thread(). So any chained call_rcu is handled by the same call_rcu worker thread doing the chaining, with the exception of teardown where the pending callbacks are moved to the default worker thread. Thanks, Mathieu [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20221122203932.231377-1-mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com/ > > Thank you, > Ondrej > -- > Ondřej Surý (He/Him) > ondrej@sury.org > > _______________________________________________ > lttng-dev mailing list > lttng-dev@lists.lttng.org > https://lists.lttng.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lttng-dev -- Mathieu Desnoyers EfficiOS Inc. https://www.efficios.com _______________________________________________ lttng-dev mailing list lttng-dev@lists.lttng.org https://lists.lttng.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lttng-dev ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: [lttng-dev] RCU API usage from call_rcu callbacks? 2023-03-22 13:57 ` Mathieu Desnoyers via lttng-dev @ 2023-03-22 14:45 ` Paul E. McKenney via lttng-dev 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Paul E. McKenney via lttng-dev @ 2023-03-22 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mathieu Desnoyers; +Cc: lttng-dev On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 09:57:25AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote: > On 2023-03-22 07:08, Ondřej Surý via lttng-dev wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the documentation is pretty silent on this, and asking here is probably going to be faster > > than me trying to use the source to figure this out. > > > > Is it legal to call_rcu() from within the call_rcu() callback? > > Yes. call_rcu callbacks can be chained. > > Note that you'll need to issue rcu_barrier() on program exit as many times as you chained call_rcu callbacks if you intend to make sure no queued callbacks still exist on program clean shutdown. See this comment above urcu_call_rcu_exit(): > > * Teardown the default call_rcu worker thread if there are no queued > * callbacks on process exit. This prevents leaking memory. > * > * Here is how an application can ensure graceful teardown of this > * worker thread: > * > * - An application queuing call_rcu callbacks should invoke > * rcu_barrier() before it exits. > * - When chaining call_rcu callbacks, the number of calls to > * rcu_barrier() on application exit must match at least the maximum > * number of chained callbacks. > * - If an application chains callbacks endlessly, it would have to be > * modified to stop chaining callbacks when it detects an application > * exit (e.g. with a flag), and wait for quiescence with rcu_barrier() > * after setting that flag. This trick can also be used to gracefully shut down in the presence of bounded chaining using but one rcu_barrier() call. Thanx, Paul > * - The statements above apply to a library which queues call_rcu > * callbacks, only it needs to invoke rcu_barrier in its library > * destructor. > > > > > > What about the other RCU (and CDS) API calls? > > They can be unless stated otherwise. For instance, rcu_barrier() cannot be called from a call_rcu worker thread. > > > > > How does that interact with create_call_rcu_data()? I have <n> event loops and I am > > initializing <n> 1:1 call_rcu helper threads as I need to do some per-thread initialization > > as some of the destroy-like functions use random numbers (don't ask). > > As I recall, set_thread_call_rcu_data() will associate a call_rcu worker instance for the current thread. So all following call_rcu() invocations from that thread will be queued into this per-thread call_rcu queue, and handled by the call_rcu worker thread. > > But I wonder why you inherently need this 1:1 mapping, rather than using the content of the structure containing the rcu_head to figure out which per-thread data should be used ? > > If you manage to separate the context from the worker thread instances, then you could use per-cpu call_rcu worker threads, which will eventually scale even better when I integrate the liburcu call_rcu API with sys_rseq concurrency ids [1]. > > > > > If it's legal to call_rcu() from call_rcu thread, which thread is going to be used? > > The call_rcu invoked from the call_rcu worker thread will queue the call_rcu callback onto the queue handled by that worker thread. It does so by setting > > URCU_TLS(thread_call_rcu_data) = crdp; > > early in call_rcu_thread(). So any chained call_rcu is handled by the same call_rcu worker thread doing the chaining, with the exception of teardown where the pending callbacks are moved to the default worker thread. > > Thanks, > > Mathieu > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20221122203932.231377-1-mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com/ > > > > > > Thank you, > > Ondrej > > -- > > Ondřej Surý (He/Him) > > ondrej@sury.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lttng-dev mailing list > > lttng-dev@lists.lttng.org > > https://lists.lttng.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lttng-dev > > -- > Mathieu Desnoyers > EfficiOS Inc. > https://www.efficios.com > _______________________________________________ lttng-dev mailing list lttng-dev@lists.lttng.org https://lists.lttng.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lttng-dev ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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