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From: mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com (Mathieu Desnoyers)
Subject: [ltt-dev] [rp] [URCU RFC patch 3/3] call_rcu: remove delay for wakeup	scheme
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:29:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110606222937.GA27360@Krystal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTingL25X5P5KNW1KpM32ZdouqJbQvw@mail.gmail.com>

* Phil Howard (pwh at cecs.pdx.edu) wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers
> <mathieu.desnoyers at efficios.com> wrote:
> > * Mathieu Desnoyers (mathieu.desnoyers at efficios.com) wrote:
> >> I notice that the "poll(NULL, 0, 10);" delay is executed both for the RT
> >> and non-RT code. ?So given that my goal is to get the call_rcu thread to
> >> GC memory as quickly as possible to diminish the overhead of cache
> >> misses, I decided to try removing this delay for !RT: the call_rcu
> >> thread then wakes up ASAP when the thread invoking call_rcu wakes it. My
> >> updates jump to 76349/s (getting there!) ;).
> >>
> >> This improvement can be explained by a lower delay between call_rcu and
> >> execution of its callback, which decrease the amount of cache used, and
> >> therefore provides better cache locality.
> >
> > I just wonder if it's worth it: removing this delay from the !RT
> > call_rcu thread can cause high-rate of synchronize_rcu() calls. So
> > although there might be an advantage in terms of update rate, it will
> > likely cause extra cache-line bounces between the call_rcu threads and
> > the reader threads.
> >
> > test_urcu_rbtree 7 1 20 -g 1000000
> >
> > With the delay in the call_rcu thread:
> > search: ?1842857 items/reader thread/s (7 reader threads)
> > updates: ? 21066 items/s (1 update thread)
> > ratio: 87 search/update
> >
> > Without the delay in the call_rcu thread:
> > search: ?3064285 items/reader thread/s (7 reader threads)
> > updates: ? 45096 items/s (1 update thread)
> > ratio: 68 search/update
> >
> > So basically, adding the delay doubles the update performance, at the
> > cost of being 33% slower for reads. My first thought is that if an
> > application has very frequent updates, then maybe it wants to have fast
> > updates because the update throughput is then important. If the
> > application has infrequent updates, then the reads will be fast anyway,
> > because rare call_rcu invocation will trigger less cache-line bounce
> > between readers and writers. Any other thoughts on this trade-off and
> > how to deal with it ?
> >
> 
> Did I miss something here? It looks like you more than doubled the
> update rate and almost doubled the lookup rate. The search/update
> ration is less, but if both the raw rates improved so much, how is
> this a bad thing?

Actually, my discussion of the results was good, but the I mis-entered
the raw results. Here is the re-run of the tests, with the results well
entered this time. I notice that on repeated runs, the update rates
seems to be much closer between delay vs no-delay than the original
difference I noticed.

test_urcu_rbtree 7 1 20 -g 1000000

With the delay in the call_rcu thread:
search: ?3064285 items/reader thread/s (7 reader threads)
updates: ? 43051 items/s (1 update thread)
ratio:        71 search/update

Without the delay in the call_rcu thread:
search: ?1550000 items/reader thread/s (7 reader threads)
updates:   47221 items/s (1 update thread)
ratio:       33 search/update

So removing the delay seems to hurt read performance quite a lot, and
does not benefit updates as much as I initially thought (it's only
9.6%). I would be tempted to just leave the delay in place for !RT case
then.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
Operating System Efficiency R&D Consultant
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com




      reply	other threads:[~2011-06-06 22:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-06 17:45 [ltt-dev] [URCU RFC patch 0/3] call_rcu() performance improvements Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 17:45 ` [ltt-dev] [URCU RFC patch 1/3] call_rcu: use cpu affinity for per-cpu call_rcu threads Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 17:45   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 17:45   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 19:44   ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-06 20:47     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 21:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-06 21:25         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 17:46 ` [ltt-dev] [URCU RFC patch 2/3] call_rcu: use futex for wakeup scheme Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 17:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 17:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 20:06   ` [ltt-dev] [rp] " Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-07  4:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-08  7:04   ` [ltt-dev] " Paolo Bonzini
2011-06-08 22:31     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]     ` <BLU0-SMTP38722641CF9CD185CCFFDC96620@phx.gbl>
2011-06-09  6:14       ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-06-06 17:46 ` [ltt-dev] [URCU RFC patch 3/3] call_rcu: remove delay " Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 17:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 17:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 19:21   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 19:41     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-06 21:29       ` [ltt-dev] [rp] " Phil Howard
2011-06-06 21:39         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-06-06 22:41         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-06-06 21:26     ` Phil Howard
2011-06-06 22:29       ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]

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