_MSC_VER == windbg?

_MSC_VER == windbg?

[Christopher Faylor]

Can anyone confirm or deny the fact that all of the _MSC_VER conditionals
in gdb are for windbg?  I suspect that they are and I'm pretty certain
that gdb won't build using Microsoft Visual C these days.

cgf

Re: _MSC_VER == windbg?

[Eli Zaretskii]

On Tue, 8 May 2001, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> Can anyone confirm or deny the fact that all of the _MSC_VER conditionals
> in gdb are for windbg?

I cannot confirm or deny this (I don't even know what windbg is ;-), but 
was there ever any other port of GDB which used MSVC?  Both Cygwin and
MinGW obviously don't use it.

Re: _MSC_VER == windbg?

[Stan Shebs]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
> Can anyone confirm or deny the fact that all of the _MSC_VER conditionals
> in gdb are for windbg?  I suspect that they are and I'm pretty certain
> that gdb won't build using Microsoft Visual C these days.

[I would have responded yesterday, but after seeing all those old bits
of code that Eli exposed, I felt ill and had to go home early. :-)]

Yes, once upon a time that hacker's hacker, Steve Chamberlain, for
whom no hack was too gross to try, thought he'd have some fun making
a GUI GDB that ran as a normal Windows program (this was before cygwin),
built using MFC and VC++.  Until gdbtk+cygwin was fully functional a
couple years later, WinGDB was the only version of GDB that ran on
Windows and had a graphical interface, and was thus very popular with
Cygnus customers.  On the other hand, it was hard to find engineers
who weren't going to quit instead of working on it :-), so it was never
really reliable, and inevitably we ran into VC++ version problems as
well, thus the _MSC_VER tests.

The GUI code all sat in an mswin/ subdirectory, and the main code
had to be tweaked to be C++-friendly, which you see described in a
Jan 1995 ChangeLog entry by Steve.  The splash screen for the
interface included a picture of him with various utensils sticking
out of various orifices, and eventually engendered an official bug
report from an unamused customer, who thought that the image was
"unprofessional".  I suppose it was... :-)

Stan

Re: _MSC_VER == windbg?

[Frank Ch. Eigler]

Stan Shebs <shebs@apple.com> writes:

: [...]  The splash screen for the interface included a picture of him
: with various utensils sticking out of various orifices, and
: eventually engendered an official bug report from an unamused
: customer, who thought that the image was "unprofessional".  I
: suppose it was... :-)

For posterity, I attach a straight gif conversion of the plain bmp original.

- FChE

Re: _MSC_VER == windbg?

[Eli Zaretskii]

On Wed, 9 May 2001, Stan Shebs wrote:

> [I would have responded yesterday, but after seeing all those old bits
> of code that Eli exposed, I felt ill and had to go home early. :-)]

Yes, I keep telling my wife not to ask me to look into old dusty
corners of our house ;-)  Not that it helps...

Re: _MSC_VER == windbg?

[Andrew Cagney]

> On Tue, 8 May 2001, Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
> 
>> Can anyone confirm or deny the fact that all of the _MSC_VER conditionals
>> in gdb are for windbg?

The cases (well ok, case defs.h) I looked at definitly suggested this. I 
think we should just assume this is the case and zap all of these (if 
you've not done it already.


> I cannot confirm or deny this (I don't even know what windbg is ;-), but 
> was there ever any other port of GDB which used MSVC?  Both Cygwin and
> MinGW obviously don't use it.

Folk law has it that WinGDB was a Cygnus special version of GDB that was 
built using MSC and ran in a pure windows environment.  I'm told (third 
hand) that building it was a pleasure and people queued for the 
privledge (not).  Hmm, thinking about it, I'm pretty sure that none of 
the current batch of Red Hat / Cygnus GDB developers have ever seen 
WinGDB and would definitly not know how to build it (and even if they 
did, they would still deny it :-).

Anyway, I like how, two years (almost to the day) that Stan committed:

1999-04-13  Stan Shebs  <shebs@andros.cygnus.com>

        * configure.tgt (arm-*-*): Whack another vestige of wingdb.

we're still wacking out vestiges of wingdb :-)

	Andrew

Re: _MSC_VER == windbg?

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 08:15:46PM -0400, Andrew Cagney wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 May 2001, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Can anyone confirm or deny the fact that all of the _MSC_VER conditionals
>>> in gdb are for windbg?
>
>The cases (well ok, case defs.h) I looked at definitly suggested this. I 
>think we should just assume this is the case and zap all of these (if 
>you've not done it already.

Yep.  I've gotten rid of all them.  Patch pending.

cgf

Re: _MSC_VER == windbg?

[Keith Seitz]

On Wed, 9 May 2001, Andrew Cagney wrote:

> Hmm, thinking about it, I'm pretty sure that none of
> the current batch of Red Hat / Cygnus GDB developers have ever seen
> WinGDB and would definitly not know how to build it (and even if they
> did, they would still deny it :-).

You can torture me all you want, my lips are sealed.

:-)

Surely I am not the only one who remembers the "cvs removal" of wingdb
party???? Stan? Michael?

Keith

Re: _MSC_VER == windbg?

[Andrew Cagney]

> On Wed, 9 May 2001, Andrew Cagney wrote:
> 
> 
>> Hmm, thinking about it, I'm pretty sure that none of
>> the current batch of Red Hat / Cygnus GDB developers have ever seen
>> WinGDB and would definitly not know how to build it (and even if they
>> did, they would still deny it :-).
> 
> 
> You can torture me all you want, my lips are sealed.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Surely I am not the only one who remembers the "cvs removal" of wingdb
> party???? Stan? Michael?


I think it was one of those California things....

	Andrew