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From: Florian Weimer via Gdb <gdb@sourceware.org>
To: "Schimpe, Christina" <christina.schimpe@intel.com>
Cc: "Schimpe, Christina via Gdb" <gdb@sourceware.org>,
	 Thiago Jung Bauermann <thiago.bauermann@linaro.org>,
	 Tom Tromey <tom@tromey.com>
Subject: Re: Shadow stack backtrace command name
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2024 17:16:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bk36zjda.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SN7PR11MB7638F4A41C79AC2DD80E756DF9DB2@SN7PR11MB7638.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (Christina Schimpe's message of "Tue, 9 Jul 2024 14:50:28 +0000")

* Christina Schimpe:

>> * Christina via Gdb Schimpe:
>> 
>> > However, based on the use cases that I am aware of, I am not sure if
>> > the user wants to always see the shadow stack bt in the ordinary bt
>> > output (if shadow stack is enabled).
>> 
>> Based on my experiments, Linux currently does not push the instruction
>> pointer onto the shadow stack if code is interrupted by a signal.  It still works
>> because the return mechanism is different.  This would be a very visible
>> difference between ordinary backtraces and shadow stack based backtraces.
>> As far as I understand it, the kernel could change, and it may still be early
>> enough to make this change.
>
> Could you explain a bit why and what you think the kernel will change ?

I could imagine that an additional address is pushed onto the shadow
stack when a signal is delivered, so that we can get a full backtrace
across signal returns.

> Just to be sure that I understand correctly: 

> Do you think that this different display for the ordinary and shadow
> stack bt in case of signals is one argument more for displaying the
> stacks together?  How would this look like?

Currently, it's not possible to use shadow stacks for backtraces because
you won't be able to print the location after <signal handler called>
line.  At least that's what I encountered when I tried to use shadow
stack for implementing the glibc backtrace function.

> You can run "info proc status" and check for "shstk" in
> x86_Thread_features, see https://docs.kernel.org/arch/x86/shstk.html.

Thanks, that's a bit better than this (for SHSTK enabled):

(gdb) print (*(tcbhead_t *)$fs_base)->feature_1
$1 = 2

Florian


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-09 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-20  9:42 Schimpe, Christina via Gdb
2023-12-20 10:59 ` Guinevere Larsen via Gdb
2023-12-20 15:11   ` Schimpe, Christina via Gdb
2023-12-20 11:38 ` Luis Machado via Gdb
2023-12-20 15:35   ` Schimpe, Christina via Gdb
2023-12-20 15:57     ` Luis Machado via Gdb
2023-12-21  4:35       ` Thiago Jung Bauermann via Gdb
2023-12-21 22:26 ` Shadow stack command to host related subcommands (was Re: Shadow stack backtrace command name) Thiago Jung Bauermann via Gdb
2024-01-09  8:34   ` Schimpe, Christina via Gdb
2023-12-23 18:22 ` Shadow stack backtrace command name Tom Tromey
2023-12-28 22:34   ` Thiago Jung Bauermann via Gdb
2024-01-09 10:21     ` Schimpe, Christina via Gdb
2024-07-05 18:16       ` Florian Weimer via Gdb
2024-07-09 14:50         ` Schimpe, Christina via Gdb
2024-07-09 15:16           ` Florian Weimer via Gdb [this message]
2024-07-10  9:07             ` Schimpe, Christina via Gdb
2024-07-10 10:05               ` Florian Weimer via Gdb
2024-07-10 11:35                 ` Schimpe, Christina via Gdb

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