Re: gdb Digest 7 Nov 2003 16:00:26 -0000 Issue 1325

[Mark Newman <markn_46@yahoo.com>]

--- Jim Ingham <jingham@apple.com> wrote:
> 
> On Nov 7, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Mark Newman wrote:
> 
> > JIm -
> >
> > could you point us to your cvs?
> 
>
http://developer.apple.com/darwin/tools/cvs/howto.html
> 
> But as I told Elena, we got behind in merging what
> with all we had to 
> do for Panther, so I would hold off looking at this
> for another couple 
> of weeks.  It will probably be clearer when Klee is
> done.
> 
> >
> > In addition can you provide a pointer or whatever
> to
> > something that indicates that that code is not
> Apple
> > IP and does not contain any Apple or anyone else's
> IP?
> >
> 
> Our blanket copyright assignment is on file with the
> FSF, and we 
> release all our gdb changes publicly with the FSF
> copyright statements 
> in place.  I think this is sufficient.
> 

Sorry Jim -

I don't mean to be a pain but apparently it isn't.  I
have been working the copyright assignment issue with
our legal office and the FSF copyright team.  The FSF
position is that if I put in somebody else's code and
the FSF is sued over that code then I as the person
who put the code in am responsible for determining
that that code is OpenSource.  It does not matter that
I put the code in in good faith - I would be liable
for the FSF's legal costs and damages.  

So if I use Apple code without a specific disclaimer I
can be held responsible personally.  The pointer that
you provided does provide pointers to the GPL, APSL,
and LGPL but it does not provide a statement that all
of the changes made to the code belong to Apple.

FSF - can I use the code without that statement?

                             Mark

> Jim
> 
> >
> >             Mark
> >
> >
> > --- Jim Ingham <jingham@apple.com> wrote:
> >> Elena,
> >>
> >> On Nov 7, 2003, at 8:00 AM,
> >> gdb-digest-help@sources.redhat.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> the objc support is in gdb mainline and it has
> >> been there for a while.
> >>> There are some bugs still, but it was merged.
> >>> Are you referring to something else?
> >>
> >> Yes, I was referring to the very beginnings of
> >> Adam's work.  Since the
> >> tarball of the Apple sources were sitting on the
> FSF
> >> site, he naturally
> >> started from there.  But since they had been
> sitting
> >> for a while, the
> >> first task he faced was reconciling the changes
> in
> >> the relevant areas
> >> of the tarball with the changes in the FSF
> sources
> >> between the time the
> >> tarball was dropped and when he got it.  At that
> >> time, we were keeping
> >> pretty current with the FSF distro, so we had
> done
> >> this job already -
> >> and the results were readily available in our CVS
> >> repository.  IIRC, we
> >> figured out what was going on pretty quickly and
> set
> >> him straight, but
> >> that is the sort of pointless duplication of
> effort
> >> that it would be
> >> good to avoid.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Same story for the interpreter stuff which
> Keith,
> >> Andrew and I merged.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am pretty sure Keith worked from our CVS
> >> repository, at least that is
> >> what I urged him to do.  By the time you & Andrew
> >> got to it, I think
> >> the work was pretty far along, so you probably
> >> didn't have any need to
> >> refer to our version.
> >>
> >>> I think we went through this before, with the
> >> previoius tarball.  If
> >>> it's too hard a requirement, then let's forget
> >> about it. We'll live
> >>> with the status quo.
> >>
> >> It is obviously not hard but I worry it is likely
> to
> >> be
> >> counter-productive.  That was what we "went
> through
> >> before" and the
> >> event somewhat justified my concerns.
> >>
> >> Pointing folks at our CVS repository is much
> easier,
> >> and we even have
> >> anonymous access now for those who don't want to
> >> give out their e-mail
> >> addresses...  Plus then they have all the
> benefits
> >> of CVS in trying to
> >> figure out why we did all the screwy things we
> >> did...
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >
>
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> >> Jim Ingham
> >>
> >> jingham@apple.com
> >> Developer Tools - gdb
> >>
> >
> >
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> Jim Ingham                                          
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> jingham@apple.com
> Developer Tools - gdb
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