Re: An article about the Cygnus tree

[msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov)]

David Edelsohn <dje@watson.ibm.com> wrote:

> I do not understand why you incorrectly insist on using such
> hostile and confrontational language in your description of EGCS.

I certainly didn't mean to be hostile or confrontational to the former EGCS. If
something in my description of it appears hostile or confrontational to you,
please point it out, also indicating how you would like it to be different (in
diff -c format).

Now you may find hostile or confrontational my criticism of first EGCS' and now
GCC's reluctance to move to the unified tree, but I think it's fair criticism.

Sorry guys for hurting your feelings if I did. I didn't intend to. I just want
the unified tree to become a reality, and in the current state of affairs there
isn't even a site or a mailing list for the Cygnus tree overall, necessitating
something like my article to be written to get the ball rolling.

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From dje@watson.ibm.com Mon Sep 04 19:19:00 2000
From: David Edelsohn <dje@watson.ibm.com>
To: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov)
Cc: binutils@sources.redhat.com, crossgcc@sources.redhat.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: An article about the Cygnus tree 
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:19:00 -0000
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	I find your "Introduction to the Cygnus Tree" to be riddled with
incorrect statements.  I do not understand why you apparently made no
attempt to investigate the facts before publicly releasing a thoroughly
inaccurate document.

	Cygnus, as a company, never has been the official FSF-appointed
maintainer of *ANY* GNU Project package.  Daily and weekly snapshots of
the various packages (gcc, gas, gdb, and binutils) were available to all
active developers prior to the public CVS repositories; they were not
developed solely by Cygnus or the FSF behind closed doors.  EGCS was not
run by Cygnus and characterizing it as competition with FSF's gcc project
is just one of numerous places where the description is far from
objective.  The hosting of the gcc.gnu.org site by Cygnus/Red Hat is not a
"dirty little secret".

	Whatever ax you have to grind, I would appreciate if you would
take it elsewhere instead of applying your prism to everyone else.  I
personally find your terminology and inferences highly offensive.
Spreading this sort of disinformation does not help the Free Software
Movement or help encourage a unified source tree and CVS repository for
GNU toolchain packages.

	The various maintainers and steering committees are not composed
of public relations experts, so we probably have been less communicative
and less quick to refute incorrect rumours than we should have been.
Filling in the missing information with conspiracies and accepting the
negative rumours is a normal human instinct, but easily resolved with a
little bit of investigation before producing a draft document.  I would
appreciate if you would demonstrate some comprehension and productive
involvement before you start patting yourself on the back for getting
things rolling.

David
From kettenis@wins.uva.nl Mon Sep 04 21:04:00 2000
From: Mark Kettenis <kettenis@wins.uva.nl>
To: jjenkins@jetstream.com
Cc: jjenkins@jetstream.com, gdb@sourceware.cygnus.com
Subject: Re: Real-Time signals & GDB
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:04:00 -0000
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   From: Jeff Jenkins <jjenkins@jetstream.com>
   Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:53:34 -0700 

   I am using gdb 4.18 on Solaris 7/SPARC UltraIII.

Try 5.0 (if you can get it to compile).  

Mark
From aoliva@redhat.com Mon Sep 04 21:06:00 2000
From: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>
To: Jan Dvorak <johnydog@go.cz>
Cc: Michael Sokolov <msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG>, binutils@sources.redhat.com, crossgcc@sources.redhat.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, gdb@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: An article about the Cygnus tree
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:06:00 -0000
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On Sep  4, 2000, Jan Dvorak <johnydog@go.cz> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:30:59PM -0500, Michael Sokolov wrote:
>> BTW, what did EGCS stand for?

> EGCS stands for Extended GNU Compiler System

AFAIK, the E in EGCS could also stand for Experimental and Enhanced,
depending on the reader.  There was no official wording :-)

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