From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) To: binutils@sources.redhat.com, crossgcc@sources.redhat.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, gdb@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: An article about the Cygnus tree Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 18:15:00 -0000 Message-id: <0009050114.AA27252@ivan.Harhan.ORG> X-SW-Source: 2000-09/msg00018.html David Edelsohn wrote: > I do not understand why you incorrectly insist on using such > hostile and confrontational language in your description of EGCS. I certainly didn't mean to be hostile or confrontational to the former EGCS. If something in my description of it appears hostile or confrontational to you, please point it out, also indicating how you would like it to be different (in diff -c format). Now you may find hostile or confrontational my criticism of first EGCS' and now GCC's reluctance to move to the unified tree, but I think it's fair criticism. Sorry guys for hurting your feelings if I did. I didn't intend to. I just want the unified tree to become a reality, and in the current state of affairs there isn't even a site or a mailing list for the Cygnus tree overall, necessitating something like my article to be written to get the ball rolling. -- Michael Sokolov Harhan Engineering Laboratory Public Service Agent International Free Computing Task Force International Engineering and Science Task Force 615 N GOOD LATIMER EXPY STE #4 DALLAS TX 75204-5852 USA Phone: +1-214-824-7693 (Harhan Eng Lab office) E-mail: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) (UUCP coming soon) >From dje@watson.ibm.com Mon Sep 04 19:19:00 2000 From: David Edelsohn To: msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Cc: binutils@sources.redhat.com, crossgcc@sources.redhat.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, gdb@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: An article about the Cygnus tree Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:19:00 -0000 Message-id: <200009050218.WAA22284@mal-ach.watson.ibm.com> References: <0009050114.AA27252@ivan.Harhan.ORG> X-SW-Source: 2000-09/msg00019.html Content-length: 1774 I find your "Introduction to the Cygnus Tree" to be riddled with incorrect statements. I do not understand why you apparently made no attempt to investigate the facts before publicly releasing a thoroughly inaccurate document. Cygnus, as a company, never has been the official FSF-appointed maintainer of *ANY* GNU Project package. Daily and weekly snapshots of the various packages (gcc, gas, gdb, and binutils) were available to all active developers prior to the public CVS repositories; they were not developed solely by Cygnus or the FSF behind closed doors. EGCS was not run by Cygnus and characterizing it as competition with FSF's gcc project is just one of numerous places where the description is far from objective. The hosting of the gcc.gnu.org site by Cygnus/Red Hat is not a "dirty little secret". Whatever ax you have to grind, I would appreciate if you would take it elsewhere instead of applying your prism to everyone else. I personally find your terminology and inferences highly offensive. Spreading this sort of disinformation does not help the Free Software Movement or help encourage a unified source tree and CVS repository for GNU toolchain packages. The various maintainers and steering committees are not composed of public relations experts, so we probably have been less communicative and less quick to refute incorrect rumours than we should have been. Filling in the missing information with conspiracies and accepting the negative rumours is a normal human instinct, but easily resolved with a little bit of investigation before producing a draft document. I would appreciate if you would demonstrate some comprehension and productive involvement before you start patting yourself on the back for getting things rolling. David >From kettenis@wins.uva.nl Mon Sep 04 21:04:00 2000 From: Mark Kettenis To: jjenkins@jetstream.com Cc: jjenkins@jetstream.com, gdb@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: Re: Real-Time signals & GDB Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:04:00 -0000 Message-id: <200009050403.e8543uU01262@delius.kettenis.local> References: <27A2DAA6CAD9D311BF970050DACB2250013E571F@mail.jetstream.com> X-SW-Source: 2000-09/msg00020.html Content-length: 190 From: Jeff Jenkins Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:53:34 -0700 I am using gdb 4.18 on Solaris 7/SPARC UltraIII. Try 5.0 (if you can get it to compile). Mark >From aoliva@redhat.com Mon Sep 04 21:06:00 2000 From: Alexandre Oliva To: Jan Dvorak Cc: Michael Sokolov , binutils@sources.redhat.com, crossgcc@sources.redhat.com, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, gdb@sources.redhat.com Subject: Re: An article about the Cygnus tree Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:06:00 -0000 Message-id: References: <0009050030.AA26952@ivan.Harhan.ORG> <20000905031308.A853@napalm.go.cz> X-SW-Source: 2000-09/msg00021.html Content-length: 621 On Sep 4, 2000, Jan Dvorak wrote: > On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 07:30:59PM -0500, Michael Sokolov wrote: >> BTW, what did EGCS stand for? > EGCS stands for Extended GNU Compiler System AFAIK, the E in EGCS could also stand for Experimental and Enhanced, depending on the reader. There was no official wording :-) -- Alexandre Oliva Enjoy Guarana', see http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Red Hat GCC Developer aoliva@{cygnus.com, redhat.com} CS PhD student at IC-Unicamp oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} Free Software Evangelist *Please* write to mailing lists, not to me