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From: Bart Veer <bartv@ecoscentric.com>
To: Stan Shebs <stan@codesourcery.com>
Cc: gdb-patches@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: add file I/O support when debugging an embedded target via jtag
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:39:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pnod39ry8d.fsf@delenn.bartv.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48BAAC44.4000002@codesourcery.com> (message from Stan Shebs on 	Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:35:48 -0700)

>>>>> "Stan" == Stan Shebs <stan@codesourcery.com> writes:

    Stan> Bart Veer wrote:
    >> Following on from
    >> http://sourceware.org/ml/gdb-patches/2008-08/msg00315.html, I have not
    >> heard anything about the code in the last two weeks. Do you know if
    >> anybody is looking at it? Also, if there is a likelihood that the
    >> patch will be accepted then I should probably get started on the
    >> assignment paperwork.

    Stan> To be honest, I looked at it but didn't understand why all
    Stan> this stuff seemed necessary. If this is not for the remote
    Stan> protocol, then what is it for? A target supported by GDB, or
    Stan> something else?

The rationale was given in
http://sourceware.org/ml/gdb/2008-07/msg00045.html
The remote protocol file I/O extensions work fine when gdb interacts
with target-side stub code over a serial line or ethernet, since
target-side code can send the requests to gdb.

Now consider a typical setup involving jtag. gdb does not access the
jtag unit directly. Instead it uses the remote protocol to interact
with a server of some kind over TCP, and the server controls the jtag
unit. Examples of this include OpenOCD, m68k-elf-sprite,
nios2-gdb-server, ... Some are open source, others are proprietary.
Target-side code has no portable way of requesting that the jtag
server sends a file I/O request to gdb. Some of these servers may
implement their own file I/O mechanisms, but that does not give a
portable solution.

The purpose of the patch is to provide portable support for file I/O
independent from the jtag server being used. In fact it should also
work with targets that do not involve the remote protocol, e.g.
simulators, although I confess I have not tried that.

    Stan> The addition of another stratum raises alarm bells with me,
    Stan> because the stratums are not as orthogonal as they should
    Stan> be, and I wouldn't be surprised if other configurations were
    Stan> broken by this.

I did not see any alternative. The h/w debug file I/O code has to
sit at a higher stratum than process_stratum (e.g. remote_ops) since
it has to override that stratum's resume/wait/load operations. It
should also sit at a level lower than thread_stratum. The file I/O
support is independent from the specific embedded OS or run-time being
used, but thread support for each OS will not be quite so portable. I
did consider putting the code into remote.c and thus explicitly tying
it to the remote protocol and remote_ops, but that would make it
impossible to use the functionality with e.g. a simulator.

For existing configurations there really should not be any change in
behaviour since there won't be any target ops at
process_override_stratum. The numerical value associated with
thread_stratum will have incremented by one, but I would hope that
there is no code anywhere assuming that thread_stratum==4.

    Stan> Also, how will everybody regression-test this (read: "make
    Stan> check") to know that other changes haven't broken this code?

A fair point. I am not really familiar with the capabilities of the
gdb testsuite, but the obvious problem here is on the target-side. In
due course the h/w debug file I/O support may be integrated to a
greater or lesser extent into various embedded OS's, so you cannot
just take the example code in doc/hwdebug-example.c and turn it into a
testcase: you would have both the OS and the testcase trying to define
_gdb_hwdebug_breakpoint.

Bart


  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-31 15:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-12 16:34 Bart Veer
2008-08-12 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-31 11:42   ` Bart Veer
2008-08-31 14:36     ` Stan Shebs
2008-08-31 15:39       ` Bart Veer [this message]
2008-09-23 10:15         ` Bart Veer
2008-09-23 12:03           ` Doug Evans
2008-09-24 21:21             ` Bart Veer
2008-09-25 17:05               ` Doug Evans
2008-09-25 20:27                 ` Bart Veer
2008-09-25 22:20                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-01 18:39                     ` Bart Veer
2008-10-01 21:10                       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2008-10-09 17:11                         ` Bart Veer
2008-10-17 11:59                           ` John Dallaway
2008-09-01  3:07     ` Eli Zaretskii

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