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From: Andrew Cagney <cagney@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: mec.gnu@mindspring.com, brobecker@gnat.com, hilfingr@gnat.com,
	gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH]: Updates to Ada sources, part 1 (longish)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:33:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40C1CB8E.7080108@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9743-Sat05Jun2004130832+0300-eliz@gnu.org>

>>> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:31:57 -0400
>>> From: Andrew Cagney <cagney@gnu.org>
>>
>>>> > 
>>>> > That'd be fine with me, but I'd also suggest to have a pointer to
>>>> > ChangeLog.GNAT in gdb/ChangeLog, right where the import of Ada changes
>>>> > is recorded.  Something like "See ChangeLog.GNAT for details of the
>>>> > changes."
>>
>>> 
>>> Please don't do this.  ChangeLog.XXX is good for branches (as with even
>>> readline/ChangeLog.gdb) but not for what is ment to be the mainline.
> 
> 
> I agree with the principle, but I don't think it is such a sacred one
> that would justify asking the GNAT people to invest such a large
> effort.
> 
> We need the information to be there, and the suggested compromises
> achieve that with a reasonable effort.

We've on a number of occasions seen large through to extreemly large 
merges (HP comes to mind) and on each occason the contributor, 
unprompted, ensure that a correct ChangeLog was included.

>>> The ChangeLog entry should provide a summary of what was added/changed
>>> at this point in time - stuff like listing the new functions and summary 
>>> of changed functions.   Can we do that?
> 
> 
> How many man-hours would you say is reasonable for such an effort?
> 1? 10? 100? 1000?  Where, if at all, do we draw the line?

We're talking an hour or perhaphs two, and something we're _all_ 
expected to do willingly.

The way to do this is to ignore the history and just look at the final 
diff.  A bit of sed'n'sort will in a matter of minutes give the 
functions added/deleted bit, leaving just terse verbage of the other 
functions changed.  Can we do that?

>>> Much of the stuff in that GNAT ChangeLog will no longer be relevant. 
> 
> 
> I understand that the problem is to translate the irrelevant suff into
> something that is relevant.  I suggested that at first, but the GNAT
> people tell that it will take a lot of work.
> 
> 
>>> I'm told Diego took rougly a day to prepare his tree-SSA ChangeLog entry.
> 
> 
> Who is Diego and how is the tree-SSA stuff relevant to our case?

Diego did a very very large (read 4 years of work x many people) merge 
of GCC's mainline.  When committed it included a very large (but terse) 
ChangeLog entry.

Andrew



  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-05 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-03  5:12 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-06-03  7:05 ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-06-04 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-04 18:32   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-06-04 18:37     ` Joel Brobecker
2004-06-04 18:55       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-06-04 19:10         ` Andrew Cagney
2004-06-05 10:11     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-05 13:33       ` Andrew Cagney [this message]
2004-06-05 16:07         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-05 23:15           ` Paul Hilfinger
2004-06-06  4:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-07 13:40               ` Andrew Cagney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-05 14:26 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-06-05 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-02 10:03 Paul Hilfinger
2004-06-03  4:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-03  4:16   ` Joel Brobecker
2004-06-03  4:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-06-03  4:41       ` Joel Brobecker
2004-06-04 11:43         ` Eli Zaretskii

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