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From: Andrew Cagney <cagney@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@elta.co.il>
Cc: mec.gnu@mindspring.com, gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [rfa/doco] PROBLEMS: add regressions since gdb 6.0
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 16:05:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4059C8A6.1020504@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ullly7k5v.fsf@elta.co.il>

>>> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:39:50 -0500
>>> From: Andrew Cagney <cagney@gnu.org>
>>> 
>>> NEWS contains a history of GDB, PROBLEMS does not.
>>> 
>>> PROBLEMS is there to identify late breaking screwups and other issues in 
>>> just _this_ release.
> 
> 
> Not necessarily.  It depends on what purpose we want PROBLEMS to
> serve.
> 
> One way of looking at PROBLEMS is as a repository of bugs that the GDB
> team already knows about, and that users therefore should not report
> as new bugs.

Er, we already have a repostory of known bugs, it's called the bug 
database.  Why duplicate the content and tracking effort?

>  PROBLEMS can also mention work-arounds, so that users
> who bump into them can do whatever they need even though the bug isn't
> fixed yet.

> If viewed like that, it would make sense for PROBLEMS to include all
> the bugs that are still not fixed, even if they date back to version
> 0.0.  Bugs that are solved should indeed be deleted from PROBLEMS.

PROBLEMS should draw the users attention to late breaking and immediate 
issues that will hurt them (gdb doesn't build, this broke going from the 
previous release).  A bug already present in the previous release 
_isn't_ new news.  This is why the PROBLEMS file is the last thing 
updated (well that and version.in).

At present the ANNOUNCEMENT that goes out with a GDB release:
http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/download/ANNOUNCEMENT
contains:
- the latest news
- the problems in _this_ release
Notice how both are lifted straight from the corresponding file, and 
more importantly, notice how the problems refers the user to the bug 
database.

Listing every single long standing nit in the PROBLEMS file just adds 
unnecessary noise.  If the user is looking for details, they can look in 
the bug database.

> (Btw, if GDB still has bugs known since v0.0, it would say something
> quite unflattering about GDB maintenance, and that alone is IMHO a
> reason good enough to keep old unsolved bugs on record.)

Andrew



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID
From: Andrew Cagney <cagney@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@elta.co.il>
Cc: mec.gnu@mindspring.com, gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [rfa/doco] PROBLEMS: add regressions since gdb 6.0
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 00:09:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4059C8A6.1020504@gnu.org> (raw)
Message-ID: <20040319000900.ABeghOON8lIOA0M5TyaJx0WLcjXGFJgPWEkkILMaSMQ@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ullly7k5v.fsf@elta.co.il>

>>> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:39:50 -0500
>>> From: Andrew Cagney <cagney@gnu.org>
>>> 
>>> NEWS contains a history of GDB, PROBLEMS does not.
>>> 
>>> PROBLEMS is there to identify late breaking screwups and other issues in 
>>> just _this_ release.
> 
> 
> Not necessarily.  It depends on what purpose we want PROBLEMS to
> serve.
> 
> One way of looking at PROBLEMS is as a repository of bugs that the GDB
> team already knows about, and that users therefore should not report
> as new bugs.

Er, we already have a repostory of known bugs, it's called the bug 
database.  Why duplicate the content and tracking effort?

>  PROBLEMS can also mention work-arounds, so that users
> who bump into them can do whatever they need even though the bug isn't
> fixed yet.

> If viewed like that, it would make sense for PROBLEMS to include all
> the bugs that are still not fixed, even if they date back to version
> 0.0.  Bugs that are solved should indeed be deleted from PROBLEMS.

PROBLEMS should draw the users attention to late breaking and immediate 
issues that will hurt them (gdb doesn't build, this broke going from the 
previous release).  A bug already present in the previous release 
_isn't_ new news.  This is why the PROBLEMS file is the last thing 
updated (well that and version.in).

At present the ANNOUNCEMENT that goes out with a GDB release:
http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/download/ANNOUNCEMENT
contains:
- the latest news
- the problems in _this_ release
Notice how both are lifted straight from the corresponding file, and 
more importantly, notice how the problems refers the user to the bug 
database.

Listing every single long standing nit in the PROBLEMS file just adds 
unnecessary noise.  If the user is looking for details, they can look in 
the bug database.

> (Btw, if GDB still has bugs known since v0.0, it would say something
> quite unflattering about GDB maintenance, and that alone is IMHO a
> reason good enough to keep old unsolved bugs on record.)

Andrew



  reply	other threads:[~2004-03-18 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-17 22:54 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 23:39 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-18  6:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-18 16:05     ` Andrew Cagney [this message]
2004-03-18 16:52       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19  0:09         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19  0:09       ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-19  0:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19  0:09   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-19  0:09 ` Michael Elizabeth Chastain
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-19  0:09 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17  6:58 ` Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-19  0:09 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-18 16:23 ` Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-19  0:09 ` David Carlton
2004-03-18 16:45   ` David Carlton
2004-03-19  0:09 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-19  0:27   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-03-19 14:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19 15:03     ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-19 15:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19 15:54         ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-20 15:38           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19  0:09 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 20:15 ` Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-19  0:09 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 19:30 ` Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 19:48 ` David Carlton
2004-03-19  0:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-18  6:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19  0:09   ` David Carlton
2004-03-19  0:09 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 18:21 ` Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 22:11 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-19  0:09   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-19  0:09 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 19:21 ` Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 18:55 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 19:03 ` David Carlton
2004-03-19  0:09   ` David Carlton
2004-03-19  0:09 ` Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-19  0:09 ` David Carlton
2004-03-17 19:16   ` David Carlton
2004-03-17  1:53 Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-17 16:13 ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-19  0:09   ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-17 17:05 ` David Carlton
2004-03-19  0:09   ` David Carlton
2004-03-19  0:09 ` Michael Elizabeth Chastain
2004-03-19  0:09 ` David Carlton
2004-03-17 17:19   ` David Carlton
2004-03-19  0:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-17 19:07     ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19  0:09     ` David Carlton
2004-03-17 19:18       ` David Carlton
2004-03-19  0:09     ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-17 22:11       ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-19  0:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-18  6:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-18 16:36         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-03-19  0:09           ` Andrew Cagney
2004-03-19  0:25             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-03-19  0:09           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2004-03-19  0:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-18 16:55             ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-19  0:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2004-03-17  6:16   ` Eli Zaretskii

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