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From: Jan Kratochvil <jan.kratochvil@redhat.com>
To: "Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>
Cc: libc-alpha@sourceware.org, gdb-patches@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [libc patch] __tls_get_addr with link_map * instead of modid
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:40:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141024144014.GA2193@host2.jankratochvil.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <544A60A5.4020701@redhat.com>

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:22:29 +0200, Carlos O'Donell wrote:
> What's wrong with using libthread_db to get the module ID and then you can
> call the normal TLS functions
+
> Isn't a solution to use libthread_db to get the module ID from the link_map,
> then use that with normal __tls_get_addr instead of adding to ld's API?

I forgot about this possibility - that libthread_db would provide just the
module ID (and not some per-thread address).

Therefore going to post a libthread_db patch later, instead of using
_dl_tls_get_addr_soft() which would have one disadvantage I described before
to Alex.


> > TBH - a bit OT - the whole GDB JIT functionality has many arch specific issues
> > and deviations due to the initial decision not to use dlopen() for the GDB JIT
> > module because dlopen() may do some unexpected modifications of the inferior.
> > I was proposing to simply use dlopen(), Tom Tromey required the mmap(), custom
> > loading, custom relocations etc.  With dlopen() TLS would not be any issue.
> 
> I don't understand the tradeoffs, but if calling dlopen() in the inferior would
> have made life easy, then I would have done that first, regardless of the impact
> on the inferior. Only if users complained or found use cases where things broke

For GDB the feedback is usually scarce and skewed to drive design decisions.


> would I have fallen back on the "technical purist" solution involving doing
> everything yourself. Those are decisions that you, as a gdb developer need to
> make, or reevaluate and make different.

This decision has been already made by gdb developer Tom Tromey and all the
work (except this TLS issue) has been hopefully already solved now.  I find it
a bit late to throw it all alway and choose a different set of advantages and
disadvantages.


> What I oppose is the addition to ld's ABI and API something which is not going
> to be a permanent solution, and for which we can put a function somewhere
> else and get similar results.

IMO the dlopen() way could be the first simple solution, extending it
optionally only upon demand later.  Going now back to dlopen() seems a bit
backwards to me.


Thanks,
Jan


  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-24 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-18 20:15 Jan Kratochvil
2014-10-18 21:20 ` Rich Felker
2014-10-18 21:27   ` Jan Kratochvil
2014-10-18 21:44     ` Rich Felker
2014-10-23 10:03 ` Alexandre Oliva
2014-10-23 12:52   ` Jan Kratochvil
2014-10-24  1:47 ` Mike Frysinger
2014-10-24  2:21 ` Carlos O'Donell
     [not found]   ` <20141024093834.GA24090@host2.jankratochvil.net>
2014-10-24 14:22     ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-10-24 14:40       ` Jan Kratochvil [this message]
2014-10-24 15:00         ` Carlos O'Donell
2014-10-25  5:55         ` Rich Felker
2014-10-25  6:14           ` Jan Kratochvil
2014-10-25  6:26             ` Rich Felker
2014-10-24 15:56       ` Pedro Alves

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