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From: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@mvista.com>
To: gdb-patches@sources.redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFA] bug in symtab.c:lookup_block_symbol()'s search method
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:59:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010914140051.A20039@nevyn.them.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1659-Fri14Sep2001204927+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il>

On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 08:49:28PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:12:41 -0700
> > From: Jason Molenda <jason-swarelist@molenda.com>
> > 
> > > I agree with Dan here: I don't think this specific issue can be a
> > > valid reason for saying that GDB is ``broken'' and that ``gdb 5.1 can
> > > not be released'' in its current shape.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, this performance issue becomes "breakage" on some
> > platforms.
> 
> Even if the performance hit is significant, I fail to understand how
> can someone say the entire program is broken, or that it cannot be
> released.  Can we please get things back into their proportion?

This much I can mostly agree with, but...

> Anyway, I don't consider 5-10 seconds such a long time.  We still have
> in GDB operations that take much more, and we don't consider it
> ``broken'' because of that.

Maybe you don't.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to start
eliminating them.  I'm guessing that Jason is another.  A lot of
operations take frustratingly long that shouldn't.

For instance, Jason is probably testing on a machine capable of
displaying a GUI IDE and running MacOS X.  That means a PowerPC,
presumably, and at least in the 300MHz-500MHz range.  I do much of my
native GDB testing on a 50MHz MIPS R5432 board, which is probably on
the order of thirty or forty times slower.  His ten second delays
become my five minute coffee breaks.  I'm not exagerating; hitting tab
accidentally while typing locks gdb solid for five minutes.  I intend
to do some work on fixing that.  If he has a patch which can remove one
such delay, I'm vastly in favor of it.

> > If you're using GDB in under an IDE and you have a Locals window
> > open, and one of those locals is an opaque structure, whenever you
> > step into our out of that frame, you'll have this 5-10 second delay.
> 
> So display the hourglass for 10 seconds and be done with that.  No one
> will really notice, except you and me.  The world is full with good
> software that sometimes has 10-sec delays, to say nothing of bad
> software.

Not if every Step instruction takes ten seconds!  That makes debugging
practically infeasible.

-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz                           Carnegie Mellon University
MontaVista Software                         Debian GNU/Linux Developer


  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-14 10:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-09  7:48 Jason Molenda
2001-09-10 11:24 ` Michael Snyder
2001-09-10 11:32   ` Jason Molenda
2001-09-10 11:50     ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-10 11:52       ` Daniel Berlin
     [not found]       ` <20010910130347.A5628@shell17.ba.best.com>
2001-09-10 14:17         ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-14  7:53           ` Andrew Cagney
2001-09-14  8:53             ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-14  9:06             ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-09-14  9:13               ` Jason Molenda
2001-09-14  9:58                 ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-14 10:55                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-09-14 10:52                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-09-14 10:59                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz [this message]
2001-09-14 11:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-09-15  0:54                   ` Jason Molenda
2001-09-15  3:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-09-15  8:01                       ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-15  9:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-09-15 12:36                         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2001-09-15 12:52                       ` Jason Molenda
2001-09-15  7:54                     ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-15 13:08                       ` Jason Molenda
2001-09-15 13:33                         ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-15 13:52                           ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-15 14:02                             ` Jason Molenda
2001-09-15 14:21                               ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-16  0:15                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2001-09-17 22:56                                 ` Andrew Cagney
2001-09-17 23:12                                   ` Jason Molenda
2001-09-18  6:21                                     ` Daniel Berlin
2001-09-18  7:32                                     ` Andrew Cagney
2001-09-17 23:18                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2001-09-18  4:51                                     ` Eli Zaretskii

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