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From: david.goulet@polymtl.ca (David Goulet)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:40:02 -0400
Subject: [ltt-dev] liburcu cache line size
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On 10-08-17 04:24 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> * David Goulet (david.goulet at polymtl.ca) wrote:
>> On 10-08-17 03:45 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> [...]
>>> Yes. The performance degradation caused by cache-line bouncing is _way_
>>> worse than extra cache pressure.
>>>
>>
>> There is something I don't understand here. Correct me if (most likely)
>> I am wrong.
>>
>> How cache line bouncing is affected by the cache line size? If I
>> understand correctly, cache line bounce is the problem where CPUs shares
>> data and have to fetch it from CPU0 to CPU7 (between caches). And, I
>> surely agree, this is costly!
>
> That's ok up to here.
>
>>
>> However, if the size of the cache is bigger then the normal cache, you
>> just loose space... For arch with 64 cache line size, you loose two line
>> per structure aligned... How lowering down to 64 bytes will cause cache
>> line bouncing?
>
> Let's take the following example:
>
> A multiprocessor machine with 256 bytes cache line size.
> The program is built thinking the cache line size is only 128 bytes.
>
> So we allocate an array of what we hope are per-cpu variables:
>
>   malloc(nr_cpus * sizeof(struct type));
>
> Where struct type is __attribute__((aligned(128))
>
> So we end up having two structures sharing a cache-line, and these will
> bounce between CPUs, even though the structures are not shared: only the
> cache-lines are shared, because the structures happen to be on the same
> cache line.
>
> So for allocation of individual objects which are meant to be per-cpu,
> e.g. a structure controlling the per-cpu buffer, the allocator can put
> one structure next to another (belonging to another cpu), thus causing
> cache line bouncing.
>
> This phenomenon is called "false sharing".
>

Very nice. That clarify yes!

However, please refer to Intel? 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software 
Developer's Manual Volume 3A: System Programming Guide.

http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/manual/253668.pdf

P. 527, Table 11-1

? Pentium 4 and Intel Xeon processors (Based on Intel NetBurst
  microarchitecture): 8-KByte, 4-way set associative, 64-byte cache line
size.
? Pentium 4 and Intel Xeon processors (Based on Intel NetBurst
  microarchitecture): 16-KByte, 8-way set associative, 64-byte cache line
size.

David

> Mathieu
>
>>
>> Thanks for your help on that!
>> David
>>
>

-- 
David Goulet
LTTng project, DORSAL Lab.

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