[lttng-dev] Machine Interface

[jonathan.r.julien@gmail.com (Jonathan Rajotte)]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 01:26:09PM -0500, Simon Marchi wrote:
> It looks good!
> 
> Comments below.
> 
> On 13 February 2014 13:00, Olivier Cotte <olivier.cotte at polymtl.ca> wrote:
> > At first, we wanted thank you for your quick and constructive feedback!
> >
> > After reflection on the nature of the problem and consideration of your
> > feedback, we've arrived with the following solution.
> >
> > The technology that will be use is XML. The integration of the machine
> > interface to LTTng will be done in the most modular manner to facilitate the
> > support multiples outputs format. This option will most likely be available
> > at configure time.
> >
> > For the moment, we will focus our effort into adding the XML feature only.
> > If many outputs languages is still a viable feature, it will be possible to
> > investigate.
> >
> > Our main goal is of course to promote extensibility, ease of development for
> > new tools and establish a standards for the communication control flow. Here
> > are our primary requirement concerning the machine interface:
> >
> >   * Fit the tree structure of LTTng commands structures.
> >   * It can be parse from bash/shell script with no external helpers.
> >   * The new format must not introduce any dependencies to LTTng.
> >   * [Optional] Still human readable, but fit to be parse.This is not a
> >      priority since we are talking about a machine interface.
> >
> > Here are the reason why we think XML should be used for the machine
> > interface:
> >
> >   * The expression of LTTng hierarchy really fit a XML tree structure.
> >   * Since Jgalar add a load-save feature that depend on libxml2, we are
> >     not introducing any dependencies. Choosing another format would
> >     most likely introduce new dependency.
> >   * XML is robust and easily extensible. It will also be easy to
> >     maintains (add new commands, modify existing commands etc.)
> >   * There are tools that allow you to evaluate XPath expressions from
> >     the bash.
> 
> In the requirements above, you said "It can be parse from bash/shell
> script with no external helpers". For XML it's not really the case. I
> don't really mind (I am fine withXML), but I just think those are
> contradictory statements.
True, but the requirement are 'ideal objectives'. The choice of XML do not complies with
this requirement but fits most of the requirements. I think we
misspoke on this.
> 
> >   * XML is an established standard
> >
> > That's why we consider XML format as a suitable solution.
> >
> > Now for the machine interface syntax:
> >
> >   * Since we are aware that multiple output could be supported, we want an
> >     unify flag for all machine interface command.
> > The flag --xml would be used to output xml from LTTng (we could add
> > similar
> > options like --json, --yaml etc.). This would be similar to svn
> > machine interface and speak for itself.
> >   * Also, to avoid confusion we will use a different primary command for
> > input and
> >     output machine interface.
> > Ex: lttng machine <input>
> > Ex: lttng --xml <output>
> 
> Can you give an (preliminary) example usage of lttng machine ? The XML
> document would be a big string / a single argument ?
> 
We are not sure yet... but probably a big string(one-lined XML).
Could be a file but i don't see any advantage.

Another option would be a prompt.. like GDB Machine Interface.
> Also, could lttng machine also be able to read its input from stdin?
> If it does, could it receive multiple commands in a single invocation?
> For example, each root-level XML element could represent a command.
> This way, a program would have to do a single exec and then push all
> the commands one by one to the lttng client.
> 
That was the plan.

To be frank, we will mostly put effort in the output side of MI.If
everything is *functional* and *approved* we will work on input.

> I have not really thought this through, I am just putting the idea in the wild.
> 
> > Any points we are missing?
> 
> I don't know how it would look, but as a user/developer, it would be
> nice if there was a way for lttng to dump me the XML that corresponds
> to a command (e.g. what I need to feed lttng machine to have the same
> effect as a command).
> 
> Example with syntax I just made up:
> 
> lttng --dump-xml-input enable-event -k sched_switch,other_event
> 
> would output
> 
> <lttng>
>     <command name="enable-event" domain="kernel">
>         <event name="sched_switch"/>
>         <event name="other_event"/>
>     </command>
> </lttng>
> 
nice idea

> I feel that this feature would make the machine interface more
> approachable (less doc to read before you start being efficient). What
> do you think?
> 
> Simon
> 
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Jonathan Rajotte Julien
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