From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id XbIuJkpMP2OU5QYAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 17:44:42 -0400 Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8F0C91E112; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Authentication-Results: simark.ca; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=sourceware.org header.i=@sourceware.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=default header.b=jV6XBZxJ; dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RDNS_DYNAMIC,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from sourceware.org (ip-8-43-85-97.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33B321E0D5 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 17:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7652396DC0F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 21:44:39 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org E7652396DC0F DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourceware.org; s=default; t=1665092679; bh=QmU4SrfL1CkDKwHTVzneZpqGEevpC7zqRAJtlIEmERw=; h=To:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To:Cc: From; b=jV6XBZxJvwuyHsppmTSjhvAI2v3oIRjlTWHoGLFEEJJtVXwKbzMZ8JFrPnRmS3T3y Xg4k9Xgs2NJsrqXCht1XKJyv8q1JlE8R7eUbl8CSilzR2uL1DM/iFBlqAhW8gUXqDD VaJoVH1vJYSDxmrA6qXcoR5y8fi8Exca4aRSQJvI= Received: from eggs.gnu.org (eggs.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::10]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 900E83948A53; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 21:42:31 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 900E83948A53 Received: from linux-libre.fsfla.org ([209.51.188.54]:50570 helo=free.home) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogYdR-00086H-Ov; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 17:42:30 -0400 Received: from livre (livre.home [172.31.160.2]) by free.home (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 296LgLT0403750 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 6 Oct 2022 18:42:21 -0300 To: "Frank Ch. Eigler via Libc-alpha" Subject: Re: The GNU Toolchain Infrastructure Project Organization: Free thinker, not speaking for the GNU Project References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <9ec804c9-1bbe-42ac-07a4-69df5c83b559@gotplt.org> <20221004141900.GA15858@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2022 18:42:21 -0300 In-Reply-To: <20221004141900.GA15858@redhat.com> (Frank Ch. Eigler via Libc-alpha's message of "Tue, 4 Oct 2022 10:19:00 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Alexandre Oliva via Gdb Reply-To: Alexandre Oliva Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, Overseers mailing list , gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , binutils@sourceware.org Errors-To: gdb-bounces+public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" On Oct 4, 2022, "Frank Ch. Eigler via Libc-alpha" wrote: > What aspects of the gnu toolchain are open to being funded via the > LF/GTI proposal, -other than- the vast majority of the funds being > redirected to its own managed services infrastructure? Hear, hear, I see a number of people, myself included, who are concerned that this LF "offer" amounts to a power-grab, to use the "donations" as bait to bring us into a trap in which our projects would be under control of a body that has seats for sale, effectively "buying" the projects on the cheap. One way to significantly alleviate these concerns would be to test whether the funds can be spent on infrastructure that's not under their control, i.e., whether it's an investment, or possibly a gift that would enable us to expand our autonomy rather than curtail it. -- Alexandre Oliva, happy hacker https://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo/ Free Software Activist GNU Toolchain Engineer Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about