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The offer is promotional, for a short time, to attract new users. Indeed, it fits the pattern that companies use with influencers nowadays, offering them gratis access to a product for them to publish their use of the product/service and thereby promote the product/service to an even broader public. Companies usually pay for that. Now, maybe you're not disputing that it was advertisement. Maybe you're disputing that it's misaligned with GNU. Surely you're aware that the advertised service, being a service rather than software you can install and run on your computer to do your computing, is SaaSS, that denies users the freedoms they deserve. GNU's prime purpose is to give users a certain set of user freedoms that are essential for users to have control over their computing, so that users have the control that the service provider intentionally denies. I know you value those services regardless. That's irrelevant for the assessment. My argument stands solely on the facts that it's advertisement of a service that denies users the freedoms they deserve. It would be no worse if I were very fond of Windows or AIX and got an request from their providers to get them new influential users through a similar promotional stunt. Both amount to promoting freedom-denying "generous" bait in a forum that exists for the primary purpose of giving users those very freedoms. > P.S. that "This is not an endorsement of Anthropic, Claude or LLMs". "It's not what you're thinking" > Not relevant. Blocking spam and bots, regardless of the content of > those messages, is the job of the list moderators and they generally > do their job just fine so far. They seem to have missed the post that started this thread, and the other twin thread in GCC and binutils, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. > you don't have to volunteer > nor respond if you don't like the proposal). You seem to have missed my response in which I volunteered. Because the offer is so harmful that I feel a moral duty to take up a slot so that it doesn't end up harming anyone. > if we cannot talk between ourselves in a kinder manner Being kind encompasses not extending dangerous and harmful offers onto your colleagues. Smoke your crack if you must, but please don't try to "help" others get hooked through "generous" offers in here. It's not kind. It's not cool. It's detrimental. It's divisive. The offer is an attack on the freedoms we stand for. Why are we even debating it? -- Alexandre Oliva, happy hacker https://blog.lx.oliva.nom.br/ Free Software Activist FSFLA co-founder GNU Toolchain Engineer Learn the truth about Richard Stallman at https://stallmansupport.org/