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([2804:14d:8084:9a69::1001]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 71dfb90a1353d-53066864460sm862335e0c.15.2025.05.28.05.24.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 28 May 2025 05:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 09:24:00 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Improve GDB's first user experience by reducing "print_gdb_version" output To: Eli Zaretskii , Phi Debian Cc: psmith@gnu.org, gdb@sourceware.org References: <0bfd51f7-2246-475c-b171-8dde8474227a@redhat.com> <86ikllvsfb.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <86ikllvsfb.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-MFC-PROC-ID: S03yH6imiR_bO7ZQv-pssMAUKsqN6Ri-Ca9T0sMyH_s_1748435043 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Guinevere Larsen via Gdb Reply-To: Guinevere Larsen Errors-To: gdb-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" On 5/28/25 9:19 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 09:33:09 +0200 >> Cc: Guinevere Larsen , >> "gdb@sourceware.org" >> From: Phi Debian via Gdb >> >> FWIW lldb produce nothing >> >> $ lldb ./hw >> (lldb) target create "./hw" >> Current executable set to '/tmp/hw' (x86_64). >> (lldb) >> >> >> One could argue LLVM series is not GNU yet GCC don't produce nothing either >> (even with -v) > Unlike GDB, GCC is not an interactive program, so it produces this > information in the output of "gcc --version" and "gcc --help". > >> The proposed minimal greeting is nice, or can be push further with no >> greeting at all (like lldb) assuming gdb --help or man gdb would be the >> starting point leading to apropos... > That'd be going too far, IMO. > Using -q or --quiet already does this, so we already allow this for users who would like a completely silent start (I personally have `alias gdb='gdb -q'` in my bashrc). I agree that having this be the default behavior is too far. If anything, I'd like to tutorialize GDB a little bit more, and completely hiding the helpful parts of the initial message is the opposite of what I hope to accomplish. -- Cheers, Guinevere Larsen She/Her/Hers