From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id duk3B921WmB2UAAAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:45:33 -0400 Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id 102CA1EF78; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:45:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RDNS_DYNAMIC,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from sourceware.org (ip-8-43-85-97.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 513731E939 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A8F385BF9E; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 03:45:31 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 61A8F385BF9E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourceware.org; s=default; t=1616557531; bh=v8oB0rkz3NM06HSzhTNe4/kzuoi3X9+moHjQWfT+gz0=; h=Date:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To:Cc: From; b=fdEVv6qxZTAwNz3dw+L8vuH1p+lg8ThGlZh5n8PY/7gWzo6qtP8gkk1qtV3hndAao lA9D2AYr3XLLI9fkYlYsbClVivSRKnyRZ0blzd0kRU9njJ1YwoPtJzrkwwXGSjxxAN fwnwatJXHM8qqKJq1Y8kKx2N753ir5osYliEUhqM= Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054DD385BF9E for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 03:45:28 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 054DD385BF9E Received: from vapier (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA7F533E830; Wed, 24 Mar 2021 03:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:45:24 -0400 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: sim: replacing ChangeLog files with online git logs Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , gdb@sourceware.org, Andrew Burgess References: <83lfarhwjq.fsf@gnu.org> <83eegjhuuq.fsf@gnu.org> <8335wyj461.fsf@gnu.org> <83tup9disi.fsf@gnu.org> <20210323110638.GA6592@embecosm.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210323110638.GA6592@embecosm.com> X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Mike Frysinger via Gdb Reply-To: Mike Frysinger Cc: gdb@sourceware.org Errors-To: gdb-bounces@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" On 23 Mar 2021 11:06, Andrew Burgess wrote: > Mike Frysinger [2021-03-23 01:05:52 -0400]: > > On 17 Mar 2021 15:14, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Mike Frysinger > > > > > That's a different conclusions. You asked what people are doing with > > > > > the ChangeLogs, not whether it was mandatory to keep them. > > > > > > > > that's fair. my point/goal was that if there aren't requirements for it, > > > > and there isn't a compelling use case for keeping them, then the easiest > > > > thing is to do nothing and delete them. > > > > > > > > it seems that there isn't a requirement -> > > > > > > Indeed, there's no mandatory requirement to keep the files, not > > > anymore. > > > > > > > i'm skeptical that the logs add value as anyone who is going to contribute > > > > by diving into the source history would be online w/git access -> > > > > we punt the logs and stop wasting lots of developer time. > > > > > > I'm not sure I agree with your skepticism. And OTOH, producing the > > > ChangeLog from Git logs takes mere seconds and wastes no development > > > time. So I think on balance there's very little price to pay for > > > something that some people may value. Why refuse to pay that small > > > price and humor those few people? > > > > Andrew: you OK with me merging my patches ? > > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2021-January/174894.html > > https://sourceware.org/pipermail/gdb-patches/2021-January/174895.html > > > > i feel like we can & should make progress here: generating the files > > for release allows us to stop hand writing these entirely. we can > > then spend time debating the format (or whether to generate them) and > > not spend any time on hand writing. > > Sure, if that's what you want, go for it. I still don't > see/understand the value of the auto-generated files, but I'm coming > to the conclusion that I might never understand. i don't disagree, but i'm trying to make progress without getting stuck in the same rut we've been for years ;). Eli: those patches look OK to you too ? -mike