From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id +NcULricUWCddAAAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 02:07:52 -0400 Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id AEEAE1EF78; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 02:07:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from sourceware.org (server2.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89A301E590 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 02:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90454385BF9E; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 06:07:50 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 90454385BF9E DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourceware.org; s=default; t=1615961270; bh=SP+yg1kMKMneI20StcMB72XbTQYmAFBXa32P/o+ZBcg=; h=Date:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To:Cc: From; b=QUr6WCWa6mcDwf9xIi+wzUyp7LzB92sHD3Rl0BNh2HV/oPyODKdEJ/hlMNxJU/Ke9 Azv+t/9e1RbXyRO2Q9TptfYo1pnj0fp6r9y8dibGNQGWxNXwliI6PVR2k9JFiwGFIx okia4fYpjdr0WedfPloNiqr7WLq6FEvtRt9yGFEA= Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47FD385BF9E for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 06:07:47 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org D47FD385BF9E Received: from vapier (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8D22340F04; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 06:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 02:07:46 -0400 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: sim: replacing ChangeLog files with online git logs Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , gdb@sourceware.org, andrew.burgess@embecosm.com References: <83ft0zjys1.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfarhwjq.fsf@gnu.org> <83eegjhuuq.fsf@gnu.org> <8335wyj461.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8335wyj461.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Mike Frysinger via Gdb Reply-To: Mike Frysinger Cc: gdb@sourceware.org Errors-To: gdb-bounces@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" On 13 Mar 2021 20:32, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > From: Mike Frysinger > > On 13 Mar 2021 18:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Mike Frysinger > > > > > So people who don't have Git will be left without the logs? I'm not > > > > > sure I'm okay with that. > > > > > > > > what value are people actually pulling from these ? we aren't talking > > > > about user-focused NEWS, we're talking about developer-focused ChangeLog. > > > > > > This has been beaten to death in various forums, including GNU > > > internal ones. the conclusion was that some people want that, and > > > some developers are not always on-line and with Git repo handy. > > > > the conclusion is that GNU standards made recommendations, but individual > > projects can pick between them. > > That's a different conclusions. You asked what people are doing with > the ChangeLogs, not whether it was mandatory to keep them. that's fair. my point/goal was that if there aren't requirements for it, and there isn't a compelling use case for keeping them, then the easiest thing is to do nothing and delete them. it seems that there isn't a requirement -> i'm skeptical that the logs add value as anyone who is going to contribute by diving into the source history would be online w/git access -> we punt the logs and stop wasting lots of developer time. -mike