From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id 8FefMGeyRWP+9gkAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:13:59 -0400 Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id B6D6D1E112; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Authentication-Results: simark.ca; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=sourceware.org header.i=@sourceware.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=default header.b=RJPpc+NE; dkim-atps=neutral X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RDNS_DYNAMIC,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 Received: from sourceware.org (ip-8-43-85-97.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D6A51E0CB for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C30385843A for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:13:57 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org B6C30385843A DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourceware.org; s=default; t=1665512037; bh=shaW1FOmwhlyIEuuxyo+OSK2sbxlzGavgwvco9USDAM=; h=Date:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-Id:List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe:From:Reply-To:Cc: From; b=RJPpc+NEEHrXO7IhhdvyIl18yHOy2mH03FDY0sosC+gW8+v2HyVfbZBlZzDNo5e5c bTNe+Enp4FviqT67QIjIH7Gp7/kS2hE+Rr3nwiLVQ7pYrFUvizzTycpUzr2adV6O8i FvuU7SpyTN1LTEk0Fw2v6pIo47iJJgfcqfzZRwBk= Received: from elastic.org (elastic.org [96.126.110.187]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88C653858D28; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:12:25 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 88C653858D28 Received: from vpn-home.elastic.org ([10.0.0.2] helo=elastic.org) by elastic.org with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1oiJjs-0007EJ-2W; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:12:24 +0000 Received: from very.elastic.org ([192.168.1.1]) by elastic.org with esmtp (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1oiJjs-000LYD-1q; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:12:24 -0400 Received: from fche by very.elastic.org with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1oiJjs-001T7j-1d; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:12:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 14:12:24 -0400 To: Overseers mailing list Subject: Re: The GNU Toolchain Infrastructure Project Message-ID: References: <6f6d141b-b776-8707-2c91-dc38d20aa9e1@gotplt.org> <20221004171007.oc2ot6eu6l24aipn@cgf.cx> <05b0f7fa-7077-5a8b-0c2f-dfb3068dd10f@gotplt.org> <517db8de93ece0eb81923fd05a731ca1da65e1dd.camel@klomp.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Sender-Verification: "" X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: "Frank Ch. Eigler via Gdb" Reply-To: "Frank Ch. Eigler" Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, gdb@sourceware.org, Mark Wielaard , binutils@sourceware.org, David Edelsohn Errors-To: gdb-bounces+public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" Hi - > [...] Where was a statement from key members of the GNU Toolchain > projects -- the people who actually use the services and > infrastructure on a day to day basis for their participation in the > GNU Toolchain projects -- asking for an alternative proposal? When > were they allowed to participate in the preparation of the > "Sourceware" proposal, supposedly for their benefit? [...] This echoes a question asked during the Cauldron session. I believe it was during the second half, whose Zoom recording is for some reason still not published. Could you ask Jeremy to fix that please? Anyway, to try to recount what I said then: the SFC proposal is independent of the various guest projects. It does not pretend to speak for any of them. It does not impose any changes on them. All the guests are just as welcome to come, stay, and leave, as they have always been. For this reason, it was not necessary to draw a stakeholder map and conduct years-long negotiations behind the scenes. Everyone has been invited to advise, in public, since August 30. - FChE