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But you've misread > my previous message. > Yep. My fault. Sorry. Also note that while autoconf-2.69 is old, it took a long time for > autoconf-2.7{0,1} to be released, so it's not quite a fair comparison. > Latest one is 2.72 .. released +3 months ago (which in the context of GNU projects still is cadence below Palnck time). Generally the issue is that maintaining anything placed on gnu.org is like dropping something into a black hole. For observers from outside of that hole stuff moves but slower and slower. This is partially in context of gcc/binutils/gdb as well. Just check any OS distro source packages and in each of these distros you can find tenths if not sometimes hundreds of patches taken from random places fixing different JFDI issues. Additionally main git repos all of those projects on https://sourceware.org/git/ are served from http server which (time to time) throttles the number of requests/s which sometimes blocks completely automatic downloading of the patches from exact commits over https:// interface during automated builds. Why those repos are not moved yet to github or even own instance of the gitlab to provide OOTB proper cross refs between commits, discussions MRs/PRs, issue tickets and commit comments for me is kind of a mystery .. (IMO change that would allow move saved paid man/h resources from maintaining that platform to something more productive like review tickets) All tooling around constantly improves allowing speeding up of the development processes of many projects and sticking with old platforms is nothing more than just discouraging to even try to touch something trivial. Sorry for maybe a few bitter words but just please look at LLVM stack. Thay have a lot of problems but at least from that angle it is squeaky clean. (just please do not comment above because it is kind of rhetorical part and focus on gdb subject) Going back to the subject: someone at least started thinking about starting doing something to move away from those ancient GNU autotools versions (probably kicking a few as*ess on integrating properly some libtool changes) or move to meson/cmake? IMO move to meson/cmake has that advantage that would allow to stop worrying about proper build automation features/shape necessary for gdb/gcc/binutils as those projects have enough robust maintainers. Someone at least made the strategic decision what should happen in that area?=F0=9F=A4=94 And/or who has any partial work done going towards that target? And/or where are those changes maintained/available?=F0=9F=A4=94 kloczek --=20 Tomasz K=C5=82oczko | inkedIn: http://lnkd.in/FXPWxH