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From: Paul Schlie <schlie@comcast.net>
To: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@false.org>
Cc: <gdb@sourceware.org>
Subject: Re: Available registers as a target property
Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 04:54:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BEA1C21C.A130%schlie@comcast.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050507043029.GA29449@nevyn.them.org>

> From: Daniel Jacobowitz <drow@false.org>
> On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 11:49:00PM -0400, Paul Schlie wrote:
>> Understood, but given that these semi-customizable synthesizable processors
>> still need to have their configurations described to multiple tools, it
>> still seems that adopting a more centralized specification scheme which
>> enables their configuration descriptions to be more conveniently accessible
>> by whatever tools may choose to leverage them seems like a good thing; as
>> opposed to having creating discrete depositories/methods unique to each
>> tool.
>> 
>> Which is why potentially broadening the use of BFD's seemed potentially
>> reasonable, but do recognize it would correspondingly require broader
>> coordination which could complicate the effort beyond reason. So possibly
>> as the parameters required to sufficiently describe the logically visible
>> debug model of an arbitrarily configured processor subsystem becomes clear,
>> these same parameters could be considered to form the basis of a more
>> centralized target configuration description which may ultimately be
>> utilized by other tools.
> 
> Personally I don't think it's very useful.  I'm not sure why you call
> them "semi-customizable"; the point is that they are, in fact, fully
> customizable.

- actually arm "extensible architecture" is fairly rigid, and arguably
  far less "customizable" than those offered by ARC or Tensilica for
  example; and is likely best characterized as being extended via
  co-processor extensions not an innate extension/customization of the
  arm ISA or processor implementation core architecture itself.

> ARM's approach to this problem was to encapsulate the description
> in the module server, which is distributed with the target
> configuration.  Anything that wants the configuration can query the
> target for it.  That seems a lot more useful to me - rather than
> centralizing the registry, distribute it locally to every target it
> describes.

- so you propose that GNU tools adopt a reliance on a proprietary vendor
  data base "module server" in order to configure tools to support that
  vendors proprietary licensed architecture?




  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-07  4:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-06 22:46 Paul Schlie
2005-05-06 23:27 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-07  0:56   ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-07  1:36     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-07  3:49       ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-07  4:30         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-07  4:54           ` Paul Schlie [this message]
2005-05-07  5:41             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-05-07 15:19               ` Paul Schlie
2005-05-07 19:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-05-06 17:55 Decker, Paul
2005-05-06 20:59 ` Daniel Jacobowitz

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