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Fri, 30 May 2025 07:22:11 -0400 X-MC-Unique: Igz_UXVnOPeU0RAj1aLikA-1 X-Mimecast-MFC-AGG-ID: Igz_UXVnOPeU0RAj1aLikA_1748604130 Received: from mx-prod-int-08.mail-002.prod.us-west-2.aws.redhat.com (mx-prod-int-08.mail-002.prod.us-west-2.aws.redhat.com [10.30.177.111]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx-prod-mc-03.mail-002.prod.us-west-2.aws.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA41D1956050; Fri, 30 May 2025 11:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oldenburg.str.redhat.com (unknown [10.2.16.152]) by mx-prod-int-08.mail-002.prod.us-west-2.aws.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2ECF18003FD; Fri, 30 May 2025 11:22:07 +0000 (UTC) To: Mark Wielaard Cc: psmith@gnu.org, Guinevere Larsen , "gdb@sourceware.org" Subject: Re: Improve GDB's first user experience by reducing "print_gdb_version" output In-Reply-To: <20250528074401.GG11631@gnu.wildebeest.org> (Mark Wielaard's message of "Wed, 28 May 2025 09:44:01 +0200") References: <0bfd51f7-2246-475c-b171-8dde8474227a@redhat.com> <20250528074401.GG11631@gnu.wildebeest.org> Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 13:22:04 +0200 Message-ID: <877c1yjqcj.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.4.1 on 10.30.177.111 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-MFC-PROC-ID: UX3Cs2jBLRXLw9vMbDpGG5WG_Acjvrxp4GM_mWwHMOw_1748604130 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Florian Weimer via Gdb Reply-To: Florian Weimer Errors-To: gdb-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" * Mark Wielaard: > Hi, > > On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 05:38:57PM -0400, Paul Smith via Gdb wrote: >> On Tue, 2025-05-27 at 17:43 -0300, Guinevere Larsen via Gdb wrote: >> > I'm sending this here in case there is some rule that forces us to >> > write the copyright or free software status at initialization, before >> > spending the time to turn this into a patch. >> >> I had remembered that interactive programs should generate copyright >> information at startup, but the most I can find in the current GNU >> Maintainer's manual is > > The GPL itself contains the recommendation at the end (after the > actual terms and conditions) in the section "How to Apply These Terms > to Your New Programs". It is even shorter than Guinevere's suggestion, > it recommends outputting just 4 lines: It also contains a rule that if the notice is present, you must not remove it and distribute the result: | An interactive user interface displays "Appropriate Legal Notices" | to the extent that it includes a convenient and prominently visible | feature that (1) displays an appropriate copyright notice, and (2) | tells the user that there is no warranty for the work (except to the | extent that warranties are provided), that licensees may convey the | work under this License, and how to view a copy of this License. If | the interface presents a list of user commands or options, such as a | menu, a prominent item in the list meets this criterion. | d) If the work has interactive user interfaces, each must display | Appropriate Legal Notices; however, if the Program has interactive | interfaces that do not display Appropriate Legal Notices, your | work need not make them do so. I don't know what the rules are for removing it upstream. The logic for suppressing a similar message in Emacs for subsequent runs is quite involved. Thanks, Florian