From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id bqUxIg72NmjmwTcAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 07:39:58 -0400 Authentication-Results: simark.ca; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=sourceware.org header.i=@sourceware.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=default header.b=i6MJVfqB; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id 758C31E11C; Wed, 28 May 2025 07:39:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on simark.ca X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.1 required=5.0 tests=ARC_SIGNED,ARC_VALID,BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 Received: from server2.sourceware.org (server2.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D65F11E102 for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 07:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8168D38515DD for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 11:39:57 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org 8168D38515DD DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourceware.org; s=default; t=1748432397; bh=kYiA+pV6LXoTEHM4hKfJWCx2/6Gq0ApQ7gv4dQUsLQQ=; h=Date:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:Subject:References:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: From:Reply-To:From; b=i6MJVfqB/lxLNa+2soLToy9wi+3Jg3Xu/bgiT4gylvqcBc3GZzbOz/w5Ja5yqs1Jn HeTKpdM7EsJU9f6C14Z5rL8CDJJunDZnZLeFwGXcpHWAirgpSZ2+P0u4HWaEKQ7G+j StCH39DwIobcdvSMIrKk5yuNppBWpp8SNT5cQ9zk= Received: from eggs.gnu.org (eggs.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::10]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C55E13857733 for ; Wed, 28 May 2025 11:39:06 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org C55E13857733 ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org C55E13857733 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1748432346; cv=none; b=EdAKRr7KylSOfE8nlcvQcZEFNNRp4lDUcx02e9zl0WR9YMNJBnm50HRtMim8VJI0sHKQ/IQdRGlXseeaFoZ9A7JLLNHzwqJqv1QPEhWGxYfAaojw/A7ZdCC1prMzQlApO0pXK8GVRf5hdQ9ONrc8X4QV+XQXaLTga+B+BMlFWHM= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1748432346; c=relaxed/simple; bh=/xnE5Im9F/iD8WAWg87rBA2aIpkg393k+f/tCY2FFT8=; h=DKIM-Signature:Date:Message-Id:From:To:Subject:MIME-version; b=IfuHOG2oLiQQgmu+CV/3pr9BfwMc5vkJ26NlfPGdNTfitgBY6VCJg6BPXaIpoQ+UW3r/BZ1cFKLZULDXJzCwb/pbJyNY58+aTtbtDGfgm7Dp9KbMbDppVUB26FCd9QTVVCPCQfU2lHnZg3KfoywpFIyW0ts+2WX9DX9Bu9pMkdo= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org C55E13857733 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uKF7f-00065R-U0; Wed, 28 May 2025 07:39:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 14:39:00 +0300 Message-Id: <86plftvuaz.fsf@gnu.org> To: Guinevere Larsen Cc: gdb@sourceware.org In-Reply-To: <0bfd51f7-2246-475c-b171-8dde8474227a@redhat.com> (message from Guinevere Larsen via Gdb on Tue, 27 May 2025 17:43:18 -0300) Subject: Re: Improve GDB's first user experience by reducing "print_gdb_version" output References: <0bfd51f7-2246-475c-b171-8dde8474227a@redhat.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Eli Zaretskii via Gdb Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: gdb-bounces~public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" > Date: Tue, 27 May 2025 17:43:18 -0300 > From: Guinevere Larsen via Gdb > > GNU gdb (GDB) 17.0.50.20250526-git > Copyright (C) 2024 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later > > This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. > There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. > Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. > This GDB was configured as "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu". > Type "show configuration" for configuration details. > For bug reporting instructions, please see: > . > Find the GDB manual and other documentation resources online at: >     . > > For help, type "help". > Type "apropos word" to search for commands related to "word". > (gdb) > > For the *vast* majority of our users, only 4 of those lines are useful > at all: the GDB version (to ask for help), where to find the > documentation, the "help" command, and the "apropos" command. Arguably, > where to report bugs could be useful, but the worst ones already print > it and otherwise users are incredibly unlikely to report them > (especially given the email requirements to create an account). Worthy > of note, the important lines are the last ones, so even if a new user > was eager enough to start reading everything, they'd likely gloss over > everything assuming this entire thing is just copyright. > > I propose that the text be updated to something similar to this: > > GNU gdb (GDB) 17.0.50.20250526-git > For a list of commands, use "help" > For all commands related to a certain word, use "apropos word" > For a thorough explanation of what GDB can do, check the manual at: >     > For information on GDB's copyright, warranty or configuration, use >     "show copying/warranty/configuration" > (gdb) This line is NOT redundant, and conveys important information: This GDB was configured as "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu". Also, why did you decide to change the wording of this line: Type "apropos word" to search for commands related to "word". I think the original wording was good.