From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from simark.ca by simark.ca with LMTP id xeR0H9+QcGaJWDsAWB0awg (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:39:11 -0400 Authentication-Results: simark.ca; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=sourceware.org header.i=@sourceware.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=default header.b=WtiRqbvs; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by simark.ca (Postfix, from userid 112) id 57EBA1E0C1; Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (server2.sourceware.org [8.43.85.97]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by simark.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 456401E092 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.sourceware.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D134E388204D for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2024 19:39:08 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 sourceware.org D134E388204D DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sourceware.org; s=default; t=1718653148; bh=h1S/0kN3+EZAI6CkXlgz5l3oBYSsno7k9/NEvc4UZzc=; h=Date:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:Subject:References:List-Id: List-Unsubscribe:List-Archive:List-Post:List-Help:List-Subscribe: From:Reply-To:From; b=WtiRqbvsuKcABj6ZNSU8RmmkrPvWU2qvgT9KJu8qYOtxMHYVxybxXaKT0w6ArK9E2 eKk+87iw1aQUnOpwi/kiVNHWtC1Thn24O/4GMDEj03e/hztgf73SA4Xfzmd5eHMJvO x3Us4AQx2qJzktr/7OU9yqcuBv9PiXvf51fFbLDY= Received: from eggs.gnu.org (eggs.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::10]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EFFE3858CDA; Mon, 17 Jun 2024 19:38:24 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org 0EFFE3858CDA ARC-Filter: OpenARC Filter v1.0.0 sourceware.org 0EFFE3858CDA ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1718653105; cv=none; b=T6EY0wX4i7h76nT5UALdVVOk+alB0q7ExZL0LGJtXGSfWr2ooswzCmryCT3kukfFuLpN+zxUUaV56DhZeKe3ubOnT4thK3puN4VTQ+WMFI+cke8R6SMlU+Lhcf1A44rphTIL8Iln3C8C5n0copl+v+U3Ai57AdFiPd4s6w1EW/M= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=sourceware.org; s=key; t=1718653105; c=relaxed/simple; bh=8663t6JAYCdHIIcysUAKZg06/ZEBVqf9aHYfdmCJDRM=; h=DKIM-Signature:Date:Message-Id:From:To:Subject; b=Xz3E/kI2or8ACEWkdK+KVsC+IZiXGZZF23cKTRvCLmkZ3vSO4upXE31sHaTfjbyaGtaJJZrsP0YlVhu4+pYzcgx3d1db7JaUdQ23s2+74d3KM9huDmiSlfCcfKwCGSTq2tysBJ08RP9IpModS6Vx1b6Zm8DDwcOFYFSVijfyioM= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; server2.sourceware.org Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sJIBL-0003VQ-ED; Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:38:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 22:37:52 +0300 Message-Id: <86o77zqs1b.fsf@gnu.org> To: Guinevere Larsen Cc: pinskia@gmail.com, gdb@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org In-Reply-To: <7c9378e8-287d-4d35-b294-3c112bb8fe1b@redhat.com> (message from Guinevere Larsen on Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:18:25 -0300) Subject: Re: DCO: Was: Re: Contributing to gdb References: <86538dac-6c3a-4b9e-9de9-3906e645fa4d@redhat.com> <86sexbr0mb.fsf@gnu.org> <0bd8f510-8782-4052-880c-39232e69b432@redhat.com> <86r0cvr00e.fsf@gnu.org> <7c9378e8-287d-4d35-b294-3c112bb8fe1b@redhat.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, TXREP, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gdb@sourceware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30 Precedence: list List-Id: Gdb mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Eli Zaretskii via Gdb Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: gdb-bounces+public-inbox=simark.ca@sourceware.org Sender: "Gdb" > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 15:18:25 -0300 > Cc: pinskia@gmail.com, gdb@sourceware.org, binutils@sourceware.org > From: Guinevere Larsen > > > And who talked to them and made sure they understand completely what > > copyright assignment means and entails? IME, a large number of people > > have completely distorted idea about that, and are mightily surprised > > when told the facts by someone who knows them. > Another problem with this system, then, is scalability. Yes, we don't > have huge swaths of people eagerly waiting to contribute to GDB, but if > it is hard enough for regular contributors to find time to review > patches, where is the time for someone who understands completely the > copyright assignment to mentor prospective contributors before they are > turned away when they read that this is a requirement in the > contribution checklist? That's not an excuse. And you can ask me to do that. I will make time for it, exactly as I make time to review documentation patches here, and as I make time to explain this stuff to contributors to Emacs. > > In contrast to the above, which may or may not be true, the risks > > associated with accepting DCOs are real, not imaginary and not > > "maybe". > Could you explain the risks? Not only I am not a lawyer, I have an extra > large blindspot with regards to copyright law. They were explained many times on gnu-prog-discuss 3 years ago, so you are invited to read those discussions. Basically people misrepresent themselves as having the rights to contribute code which they have no legal rights to contribute, and it's likely to happen exactly in the cases in which the copyright assignment is complicated by the need to obtain the disclaimer of the employer. > > Anyway, I don't see a need to argue. You have expressed your opinion, > > and I expressed mine. We disagree. It's allowed and is perfectly > > okay. > > > I would like to change the current system, but I don't have all the > information, so I think it would be beneficial for us to discuss this so > that we don't rely on any one person's personal preference, and instead > choose what is best for the project. Anyone who wants to discuss this seriously should first read the gnu-prog-discuss discussion of these issues, from June 2021 (it went on all the way through July).